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Speaking from personal experience: "to buy drugs"

by treis 4y ago

repomies69 4y ago
can you share more details pls
- googlryas 4y ago
  My FedEx driver is a drug dealer and he don't even know it.
- treis 4y ago
  (1) Install tor (2) Search reddit/internet for marketplace on tor (3) Be very sure that you have actually reached the marketplace. Lots of scammers MITM them and steal your crypto by changing the pay to wallet (4) Buy crypto (which kind depends on merchant & market place) (5) Place order on marketplace (6) Send crypto to the address they give you (7) Encrypt your shipping info with the merchants public key and send it to them (8) Drugs show up 1-2 weeks later
  - m00dy 4y ago
    The instructions above can get you pretty far. But before trying this, make sure that the crypto you are using supports zero-knowledge proof or zk-proof. This way, you make it harder for law enforcements to link all these things to your identity.
r3trohack3r 4y ago
I hear this a lot. And I know it’s true. But it seems like a bad use of crypto. I prefer to do crime in cash. Cash doesn’t have a permanent public ledger associated with it. Even if that ledger is “zero-knowledge” - I’m betting my freedom on bullet proof math staying bullet proof for the statute of limitations. I understand that “at scale” cash may be a higher risk than crypto. But I’m not “at scale.” Local, last-mile, cash transactions are preferable in nearly every way.
- DeRock 4y ago
  How do you do cash payments over the internet? Thats the whole point, enabling illegal commerce over the internet.
  - rahen 4y ago
    Western Union.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    i guess decades old Visa, Mastercard, Discover, Amex, Diners are all tokenized cash over the internet?
- r3trohack3r 4y ago
  If I were to put my game theory hat on, I’d take it one step further and say “crypto is good for crime” is a meme likely promoted by gov institutions. They get a criminal financial system committed to a permanent public ledger. Between deanonymization techniques and zero-days, its likely they view chains as an asset. They can use them to see how money is moving through criminal organizations. Best of all, it’s likely they never have to reveal their hand (they are using chains for investigations) since they can use parallel construction once they know where to look.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    totally agree
- treis 4y ago
  Except that you are now committing your crime in a single jurisdiction and performing all elements of the crime at the same time. It makes it much more convenient for law enforcement to catch and prosecute you. And what's worse they have incentive to get you to roll on your dealer. So they're more likely to hammer you with charges to force you to take a deal to testify. Compare that with my situation. You need to prove that I received the package, associate that shipment to an order, that order to a payment, and that payment to me. It's a multi-jurisdictional effort that would require subpoenas and some sloppiness by my dealer. And to what end? All I know is that I sent bitcoin to an address and drugs showed up some time later. I have no idea who I paid, where they got the drugs, who mailed the package or anything useful at all.
seydor 4y ago
which would be banned from day -1 so they can't

Speaking from personal experience: "to buy drugs"

by treis 4y ago

Speaking from personal experience: "to buy drugs"

repomies69 4y ago

can you share more details pls

googlryas 4y ago
My FedEx driver is a drug dealer and he don't even know it.
treis 4y ago
(1) Install tor (2) Search reddit/internet for marketplace on tor (3) Be very sure that you have actually reached the marketplace. Lots of scammers MITM them and steal your crypto by changing the pay to wallet (4) Buy crypto (which kind depends on merchant & market place) (5) Place order on marketplace (6) Send crypto to the address they give you (7) Encrypt your shipping info with the merchants public key and send it to them (8) Drugs show up 1-2 weeks later
- m00dy 4y ago
  The instructions above can get you pretty far. But before trying this, make sure that the crypto you are using supports zero-knowledge proof or zk-proof. This way, you make it harder for law enforcements to link all these things to your identity.

r3trohack3r 4y ago

I hear this a lot. And I know it’s true. But it seems like a bad use of crypto. I prefer to do crime in cash. Cash doesn’t have a permanent public ledger associated with it. Even if that ledger is “zero-knowledge” - I’m betting my freedom on bullet proof math staying bullet proof for the statute of limitations. I understand that “at scale” cash may be a higher risk than crypto. But I’m not “at scale.” Local, last-mile, cash transactions are preferable in nearly every way.

DeRock 4y ago
How do you do cash payments over the internet? Thats the whole point, enabling illegal commerce over the internet.
- rahen 4y ago
  Western Union.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  i guess decades old Visa, Mastercard, Discover, Amex, Diners are all tokenized cash over the internet?
r3trohack3r 4y ago
If I were to put my game theory hat on, I’d take it one step further and say “crypto is good for crime” is a meme likely promoted by gov institutions. They get a criminal financial system committed to a permanent public ledger. Between deanonymization techniques and zero-days, its likely they view chains as an asset. They can use them to see how money is moving through criminal organizations. Best of all, it’s likely they never have to reveal their hand (they are using chains for investigations) since they can use parallel construction once they know where to look.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  totally agree
treis 4y ago
Except that you are now committing your crime in a single jurisdiction and performing all elements of the crime at the same time. It makes it much more convenient for law enforcement to catch and prosecute you. And what's worse they have incentive to get you to roll on your dealer. So they're more likely to hammer you with charges to force you to take a deal to testify. Compare that with my situation. You need to prove that I received the package, associate that shipment to an order, that order to a payment, and that payment to me. It's a multi-jurisdictional effort that would require subpoenas and some sloppiness by my dealer. And to what end? All I know is that I sent bitcoin to an address and drugs showed up some time later. I have no idea who I paid, where they got the drugs, who mailed the package or anything useful at all.

seydor 4y ago

which would be banned from day -1 so they can't