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Hybrids, then, should be advantageous as they carry their own chargers and have improved mileage. Today’s world needs power and getting it remains a problem,

Hybrids, then, should be advantageous as they carry their own chargers and have improved mileage. Today’s world needs power and getting it remains a problem, getting it cleanly is even harder. I would imagine crypto mining is right out for similar reasons.

bombcar 4y ago
Plug-in hybrids with more than an absolutely minuscule battery are a good stop-gap. It’s annoying that they’re not more common - even the companies that have them like Toyota don’t have them across the line.
- bsder 4y ago
  > It’s annoying that they’re not more common Having an internal combustion engine adds a ridiculous amount to the manufacturing cost. It's why Chevy quit manufacturing the Volt in spite of the fact that everybody I know who has one adores them. The Bolt is sooooo much cheaper to produce that's it's ridiculous.
  - jleyank 4y ago
    But what if the ICE is merely a charger as with diesel trains? None of this mixed drivetrain stuff... Just a dynamo putting (hopefully) more juice into the battery than your foot's taking out. It's also way easier to carry a gallon of gas than a bucket of electrons...
    - bsder 4y ago
      Mixed drive train isn't relevant. The number of components on any ICE engine with a power level in the multi-10K watt range FAR exceeds the number of components on an all-electric drive train. This is the fundamental problem: What's the point of producing a hybrid car that is more expensive to produce than both a standard ICE car and an all-eletric car? It would be better for governments to subsidize the installation of chargers. This has the advantage that we could move to the all-electric cars (which are significantly cheaper to produce) and start removing gas stations (which are an environmental disaster because the tanks eventually leak).
      - jleyank 4y ago
        It’s not just the chargers it’s the amps. They gotta come from somewhere, travel down a wire and then be issued by the charger. Carrying an engine avoids these problems. Switzerland is pointing out they’re short of amps.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    But you're NOT adding an ICE to a hybrid to get a plugin hybrid. You're adding a charger. There's no reason that a plugin version of the Sienna should cost significantly more - https://www.toyota.com/sienna/features/mpg_other_price/5402/5434/5411 https://www.toyota.com/sienna/features/mpg_other_price/5402/... but these are all non-plugin.

bombcar 4y ago

Plug-in hybrids with more than an absolutely minuscule battery are a good stop-gap. It’s annoying that they’re not more common - even the companies that have them like Toyota don’t have them across the line.

bsder 4y ago
> It’s annoying that they’re not more common Having an internal combustion engine adds a ridiculous amount to the manufacturing cost. It's why Chevy quit manufacturing the Volt in spite of the fact that everybody I know who has one adores them. The Bolt is sooooo much cheaper to produce that's it's ridiculous.
- jleyank 4y ago
  But what if the ICE is merely a charger as with diesel trains? None of this mixed drivetrain stuff... Just a dynamo putting (hopefully) more juice into the battery than your foot's taking out. It's also way easier to carry a gallon of gas than a bucket of electrons...
  - bsder 4y ago
    Mixed drive train isn't relevant. The number of components on any ICE engine with a power level in the multi-10K watt range FAR exceeds the number of components on an all-electric drive train. This is the fundamental problem: What's the point of producing a hybrid car that is more expensive to produce than both a standard ICE car and an all-eletric car? It would be better for governments to subsidize the installation of chargers. This has the advantage that we could move to the all-electric cars (which are significantly cheaper to produce) and start removing gas stations (which are an environmental disaster because the tanks eventually leak).
    - jleyank 4y ago
      It’s not just the chargers it’s the amps. They gotta come from somewhere, travel down a wire and then be issued by the charger. Carrying an engine avoids these problems. Switzerland is pointing out they’re short of amps.
- bombcar 4y ago
  But you're NOT adding an ICE to a hybrid to get a plugin hybrid. You're adding a charger. There's no reason that a plugin version of the Sienna should cost significantly more - https://www.toyota.com/sienna/features/mpg_other_price/5402/5434/5411 https://www.toyota.com/sienna/features/mpg_other_price/5402/... but these are all non-plugin.