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"...the fetus helps repair..." This is perfect clickbait wording "The Fetus" = "general epithelial cell" "Helps Repair" = "Follows well understood biochemica

"...the fetus helps repair..." This is perfect clickbait wording "The Fetus" = "general epithelial cell" "Helps Repair" = "Follows well understood biochemical processes" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithelial%E2%80%93mesenchymal_transition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithelial%E2%80%93mesenchymal... The way that it is written implies agency, signal discrimination and focused intercession by the "Fetus" which of course is absurd It's an interesting and novel result, no need to make it seem bigger than it is. Now all that's going to happen is that I'm going to add a discount bias to anything coming from these sources and I will have reduced my trust in reporting (again) reducing trust overall Great work folks, you got 1000 more hits on your article while undermining science communication again. Worth it?

georgeg23 4y ago
agree.. they could have summarized at the beginning what they only get to at the end: "fetal macrophages are important in mediating the wound-repairing process"
anon291 4y ago
Wait what? This doesn't make any sense? If someone is fighting a cold, they exert no agency, yet it is typical in English to say "He/she is fighting off a cold". This is despite the fact that, in reality, it's the individual macrophages / immune cells doing the actual fighting. Or, a woman giving birth. At the end of the day, this is an involuntary process; there's no way someone can will themselves to stop it (as far as I know). Yet it's extremely typical to say "X gave birth". Saying a human is undergoing X biochemical process in an active voice in English does not imply agency at all.
- AndrewKemendo 4y ago
  >If someone is fighting a cold, they exert no agency The $11 Trillion healthcare industry might disagree with you >At the end of the day, this is an involuntary process; there's no way someone can will themselves to stop it (as far as I know) I have three children and have been actively involved in two of their home births. Trust me when I tell you that it's a very interactive process for the mom and everyone involved.
  - goldforever 4y ago
  - anon291 4y ago
    > I have three children and have been actively involved in two of their home births. Trust me when I tell you that it's a very interactive process for the mom and everyone involved. That's great. So have I and I can tell you with 100% certainty that telling your wife to 'stop' while she's giving birth will quickly teach you the answer on whether or not birth is voluntary. Try it next time. See what happens. While some women may be able to exercise some control over contractions (much like we can choose to hold our breath), eventually the brain will take over and perform the action, whether you want to or not. I know of no recorded example of a woman able to stop labor. If you can find one, I will recant.
Smithalicious 4y ago
Are you not made of cells that follow biochemical processes? Where do the cells following biochemical processes end and your agentic self begin?
klyrs 4y ago
I was enjoying the image of a fetus busting out a needle and thread to stitch the rupture closed. You ruined it.

georgeg23 4y ago

agree.. they could have summarized at the beginning what they only get to at the end: "fetal macrophages are important in mediating the wound-repairing process"

anon291 4y ago

Wait what? This doesn't make any sense? If someone is fighting a cold, they exert no agency, yet it is typical in English to say "He/she is fighting off a cold". This is despite the fact that, in reality, it's the individual macrophages / immune cells doing the actual fighting. Or, a woman giving birth. At the end of the day, this is an involuntary process; there's no way someone can will themselves to stop it (as far as I know). Yet it's extremely typical to say "X gave birth". Saying a human is undergoing X biochemical process in an active voice in English does not imply agency at all.

AndrewKemendo 4y ago
>If someone is fighting a cold, they exert no agency The $11 Trillion healthcare industry might disagree with you >At the end of the day, this is an involuntary process; there's no way someone can will themselves to stop it (as far as I know) I have three children and have been actively involved in two of their home births. Trust me when I tell you that it's a very interactive process for the mom and everyone involved.
- goldforever 4y ago
- anon291 4y ago
  > I have three children and have been actively involved in two of their home births. Trust me when I tell you that it's a very interactive process for the mom and everyone involved. That's great. So have I and I can tell you with 100% certainty that telling your wife to 'stop' while she's giving birth will quickly teach you the answer on whether or not birth is voluntary. Try it next time. See what happens. While some women may be able to exercise some control over contractions (much like we can choose to hold our breath), eventually the brain will take over and perform the action, whether you want to or not. I know of no recorded example of a woman able to stop labor. If you can find one, I will recant.

Smithalicious 4y ago

Are you not made of cells that follow biochemical processes? Where do the cells following biochemical processes end and your agentic self begin?

klyrs 4y ago

I was enjoying the image of a fetus busting out a needle and thread to stitch the rupture closed. You ruined it.