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> Taiwan is an integral part of the Chinese nation No it isn't. China under the Communist Party has never ruled or controlled Taiwan (since 1949). Taiwan dem

> Taiwan is an integral part of the Chinese nation No it isn't. China under the Communist Party has never ruled or controlled Taiwan (since 1949). Taiwan democratized, developed, and got wealthy first, completely independently of China. Taiwan has never in modern history been an integral part of China.

gnu8 4y ago
China has been a country for longer than the history of European civilization. They do not subscribe to the view that nothing that happened before 1945 matters the way Americans seem to.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  China also makes the claim of 1000s of years of history but Taiwans inclusion in that history is about 200 years. And of that less than 10 was a province that China still didn’t govern or control. It was more or less just something they said to deter Japan. So historically China has never ruled over Taiwan. Japan has more claim to Taiwan than China as it actually ruled and controlled Taiwan.
  - rendang 4y ago
    Not if you're a nationalist, since most of Taiwan is ethnically Han, not Japanese.
- quantumwannabe 4y ago
  No, China has not been a country for longer than European civilization. That CCP propaganda claim is the equivalent of saying that the European Union has been around for 8000 years because Plovdiv, Bulgaria was founded in the 6th Millennium BC.
DoughnutHole 4y ago
There's a difference between a nation and a state, although the two are nearly always synonymous in the modern world. Taiwan and China being one nation is the policy of the governments of both China and Taiwan. Of course Taiwanese nationalism is it's own thing now, but the Taiwanese people seeing themselves as not Chinese is a relatively recent phenomenon - it's been functionally independent for less than 100 years, and before that it was a Japanese colony like several others that have since been reabsorbed by China. I'm not supporting Chineses irredentism, and I don't think the parent comment was either. Taiwan should remain independent. What the parent was explaining is why China would want Taiwan no matter what - it's a historical part of China that is relatively recently separated, so they want it for purely nationalistic reasons. It's no different from Serbia and Kosovo, or Russia and swaths of Ukraine. The economics don't matter if all you care about is your wounded national pride.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  > Taiwan and China being one nation is the policy of the governments of both China and Taiwan. No one in Taiwan and not even the current government consider China/Taiwan together. When KMT fled and created the constitution they claim China. Taiwan is now stuck in limbo because the people just want to live their lives in peace and already consider themselves Taiwanese and independent. But if they change the constitution then China will consider it a formal act of independence and use it as an excuse.
  - MikePlacid 4y ago
    The pro-independence party just suffered a major loss in local elections. The prime-minister who invited Nancy Pelosi for a provocative visit had to resign. Looks like Taiwanese people are not very enthusiastic about becoming a new Ukraine.
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    - enticeing 4y ago
      For clarification: It was the President of Taiwan Tsai Ing-wen(as far as I can tell) who invited Nancy Pelosi for a visit. She (the President of Taiwan) did resign as head of her party, but not as president.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      Greens never do well in local elections. Local governments have no say at national level. It seems the only people who say they suffered a major blow are pro CCP bots.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    You're speaking to the "state" part of the above comment. Yes, clearly the PRC and ROC are not the same state. "Nation" is not necessarily the same thing.

gnu8 4y ago

China has been a country for longer than the history of European civilization. They do not subscribe to the view that nothing that happened before 1945 matters the way Americans seem to.

philliphaydon 4y ago
China also makes the claim of 1000s of years of history but Taiwans inclusion in that history is about 200 years. And of that less than 10 was a province that China still didn’t govern or control. It was more or less just something they said to deter Japan. So historically China has never ruled over Taiwan. Japan has more claim to Taiwan than China as it actually ruled and controlled Taiwan.
- rendang 4y ago
  Not if you're a nationalist, since most of Taiwan is ethnically Han, not Japanese.
quantumwannabe 4y ago
No, China has not been a country for longer than European civilization. That CCP propaganda claim is the equivalent of saying that the European Union has been around for 8000 years because Plovdiv, Bulgaria was founded in the 6th Millennium BC.

DoughnutHole 4y ago

There's a difference between a nation and a state, although the two are nearly always synonymous in the modern world. Taiwan and China being one nation is the policy of the governments of both China and Taiwan. Of course Taiwanese nationalism is it's own thing now, but the Taiwanese people seeing themselves as not Chinese is a relatively recent phenomenon - it's been functionally independent for less than 100 years, and before that it was a Japanese colony like several others that have since been reabsorbed by China. I'm not supporting Chineses irredentism, and I don't think the parent comment was either. Taiwan should remain independent. What the parent was explaining is why China would want Taiwan no matter what - it's a historical part of China that is relatively recently separated, so they want it for purely nationalistic reasons. It's no different from Serbia and Kosovo, or Russia and swaths of Ukraine. The economics don't matter if all you care about is your wounded national pride.

philliphaydon 4y ago
> Taiwan and China being one nation is the policy of the governments of both China and Taiwan. No one in Taiwan and not even the current government consider China/Taiwan together. When KMT fled and created the constitution they claim China. Taiwan is now stuck in limbo because the people just want to live their lives in peace and already consider themselves Taiwanese and independent. But if they change the constitution then China will consider it a formal act of independence and use it as an excuse.
- MikePlacid 4y ago
  The pro-independence party just suffered a major loss in local elections. The prime-minister who invited Nancy Pelosi for a provocative visit had to resign. Looks like Taiwanese people are not very enthusiastic about becoming a new Ukraine.
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  - enticeing 4y ago
    For clarification: It was the President of Taiwan Tsai Ing-wen(as far as I can tell) who invited Nancy Pelosi for a visit. She (the President of Taiwan) did resign as head of her party, but not as president.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Greens never do well in local elections. Local governments have no say at national level. It seems the only people who say they suffered a major blow are pro CCP bots.
- kube-system 4y ago
  You're speaking to the "state" part of the above comment. Yes, clearly the PRC and ROC are not the same state. "Nation" is not necessarily the same thing.