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In my experience it was a stress issue for the couples that were having trouble that I know. One friend and his wife gave up alcohol, caffeine and meat, it see

In my experience it was a stress issue for the couples that were having trouble that I know. One friend and his wife gave up alcohol, caffeine and meat, it seemed like there was just a ton of stress they had put on getting pregnant for 6 months. It wasn't until after they took a break from trying that they got pregnant one night after drinking. I think modern medicine somewhat ignores how powerful the human mind is. It is possible that my friend wasn't actually performing as well as he thought he was, also possible that the wife had 'calculated' the exact day that conception should happen. Instead of listening to her body, evolutionarily it would be advantageous for women to be horny while most fertile in the cycle.

jvanderbot 4y ago
Well, that or all the endocrine disruptors just made it take forever. Probably just took them a long time and they happened to conceive after making those changes. Certainly they tried many methods over time, and with a low% chance per attempt, they'll conceive after a bunch of 'interventions'.
lambdaba 4y ago
> alcohol, caffeine and meat one of these is definitely not like the others... An all-meat diet I would bet is the best to conceive, because it's the best for hormonal health, judging by the countless anecdotes (e.g. women regaining their cycles after many years) I'm seeing. Anyway, I just wanted to point that out, it's still shocking to me that people still believe that meat is detrimental to health.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  Ahh, anecdotes about consuming meat, I can't think of anything more scientifically rigorous and less influenced by sentiment. My own anecdotes tell me that eating meat vastly decreases your fertility rate. Some anecdotes add that it's because of the animal hormones you consume, others state that it's because meat-eating is associated with other health conditions which interfere with conception (obesity, high cholesterol, cancer), and yet other anecdotes don't assign a cause to the increased fertility from leaving out meat. As anecdotes, these are all of course, incredibly scientific.
  - lambdaba 4y ago
    When the anecdotes all seem the go completely against the prevailing narrative ("meat is like smoking!") and there are huge numbers of them, that has got to pique your interest https://carnivore.diet/?s=cycle https://carnivore.diet/?s=cycle (try different search terms, YouTube is also a great source). This thread is full of anecdotes so I'm just the messenger of some I know of. I don't care about science when our bodies are burning because of the terrible advice some of the "science" has been giving us. - dietary cholesterol is good and cholesterol is not the problem, triglyceride/cholesterol ratio is - hormones from meat... that's just not having a sense of scale, don't know how to put it, of course everything is going to have some tiny amount of hormones, even the vegans' beloved soy
    - d3nj4l 4y ago
      I'm sure the good people at carnivore dot diet are completely unbiased and neutral agents in this debate.
      - lambdaba 4y ago
        You could probably also be sure that this isn't the only source.
        d3nj4l 4y ago
        Maybe it’d be better if you led with that instead?
        lambdaba 4y ago
        I think it's a great resource, these are personal testimonials, real people (many of them have interviews on YouTube). I would think it wouldn't change your stance anyway.
    - chimprich 4y ago
      > I don't care about science Only slightly taken out of context, but telling I think. Anecdotally (again), all the healthiest people I know get lots of exercise, eat a reasonable amount of carbs from wholemeal/wholegrain and vegetable sources, some fat and some protein. This is the "official" recommended diet by most authorities, and has a lot going for it, apart from being boringly conventional (so therefore unattractive to people who are excited by these threads). The unhealthy people I know jump from diet to diet in an attempt to take a shortcut to fitness, singing the praises of the most recent one (...but if the last one was so great, why did you have to change it again?) There are problems with the carnivore diet, including lack of fibre, micronutrients, red meat association with colorectal cancer, and so on. In addition it's bad for the environment and would be unsustainable if we all switched to it.
- loopdoend 4y ago
  The type of meat matters, I would look into Neu5Gc.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
Actually, 6 cycles is statistical average for conceiving.

jvanderbot 4y ago

Well, that or all the endocrine disruptors just made it take forever. Probably just took them a long time and they happened to conceive after making those changes. Certainly they tried many methods over time, and with a low% chance per attempt, they'll conceive after a bunch of 'interventions'.

lambdaba 4y ago

> alcohol, caffeine and meat one of these is definitely not like the others... An all-meat diet I would bet is the best to conceive, because it's the best for hormonal health, judging by the countless anecdotes (e.g. women regaining their cycles after many years) I'm seeing. Anyway, I just wanted to point that out, it's still shocking to me that people still believe that meat is detrimental to health.

pcthrowaway 4y ago
Ahh, anecdotes about consuming meat, I can't think of anything more scientifically rigorous and less influenced by sentiment. My own anecdotes tell me that eating meat vastly decreases your fertility rate. Some anecdotes add that it's because of the animal hormones you consume, others state that it's because meat-eating is associated with other health conditions which interfere with conception (obesity, high cholesterol, cancer), and yet other anecdotes don't assign a cause to the increased fertility from leaving out meat. As anecdotes, these are all of course, incredibly scientific.
- lambdaba 4y ago
  When the anecdotes all seem the go completely against the prevailing narrative ("meat is like smoking!") and there are huge numbers of them, that has got to pique your interest https://carnivore.diet/?s=cycle https://carnivore.diet/?s=cycle (try different search terms, YouTube is also a great source). This thread is full of anecdotes so I'm just the messenger of some I know of. I don't care about science when our bodies are burning because of the terrible advice some of the "science" has been giving us. - dietary cholesterol is good and cholesterol is not the problem, triglyceride/cholesterol ratio is - hormones from meat... that's just not having a sense of scale, don't know how to put it, of course everything is going to have some tiny amount of hormones, even the vegans' beloved soy
  - d3nj4l 4y ago
    I'm sure the good people at carnivore dot diet are completely unbiased and neutral agents in this debate.
    - lambdaba 4y ago
      You could probably also be sure that this isn't the only source.
      - d3nj4l 4y ago
        Maybe it’d be better if you led with that instead?
        lambdaba 4y ago
        I think it's a great resource, these are personal testimonials, real people (many of them have interviews on YouTube). I would think it wouldn't change your stance anyway.
  - chimprich 4y ago
    > I don't care about science Only slightly taken out of context, but telling I think. Anecdotally (again), all the healthiest people I know get lots of exercise, eat a reasonable amount of carbs from wholemeal/wholegrain and vegetable sources, some fat and some protein. This is the "official" recommended diet by most authorities, and has a lot going for it, apart from being boringly conventional (so therefore unattractive to people who are excited by these threads). The unhealthy people I know jump from diet to diet in an attempt to take a shortcut to fitness, singing the praises of the most recent one (...but if the last one was so great, why did you have to change it again?) There are problems with the carnivore diet, including lack of fibre, micronutrients, red meat association with colorectal cancer, and so on. In addition it's bad for the environment and would be unsustainable if we all switched to it.
loopdoend 4y ago
The type of meat matters, I would look into Neu5Gc.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago

Actually, 6 cycles is statistical average for conceiving.