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It probably happened. So what? I mean, are we kindergarden children to assume no foreign powers work at continuously in any country? Helloo, Russia was just nex

It probably happened. So what? I mean, are we kindergarden children to assume no foreign powers work at continuously in any country? Helloo, Russia was just next to Ukraine and did a shitton of stuff, up to and including whatever it did to ignite Euromaidan. You can either ignore one side and point to the other (which is like... no comment). Or go into absurdism and say there is no real internal agency in any country and everything is a conspiracy theory. Or just look at things and use a bit of common sense, compare Eastern and Western influences in Ukraine and never ever again mention that particular anecdote, because in context it's absolutely ridiculous.

pessimizer 4y ago
> Or go into absurdism and say there is no real internal agency in any country and everything is a conspiracy theory. Ah, so saying that Ukraine and it's citizens didn't have exactly the same agency as any other country and its citizens while the US was fomenting a coup against it's Russian-backed government is just like saying nothing means anything, black is white and up is down. It's absolutely ridiculous to say that there was any result of the most powerful country in the world using Ukraine as a battleground to attack the most powerful country in the region. This is not the smart position, this is attempting to shut down upsetting discussions with circular nonsense. Putting "helloo" in front of a claim is not an argument, any more than "oh, please" or "come on!"
- moneytide1 4y ago
  The colder the climate is across millennia, the more likely the inhabitants are to have the courage to try the difficult thing(s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin
- radu_floricica 4y ago
  Took me a while to parse your comment and I'm not sure I got it, but I think the key is "US was fomenting a coup". Everybody was fomenting a coup, obviously. Probably even the Chinese were having people on the ground. Doesn't automatically make everything that happened there a result of US action.

pessimizer 4y ago

> Or go into absurdism and say there is no real internal agency in any country and everything is a conspiracy theory. Ah, so saying that Ukraine and it's citizens didn't have exactly the same agency as any other country and its citizens while the US was fomenting a coup against it's Russian-backed government is just like saying nothing means anything, black is white and up is down. It's absolutely ridiculous to say that there was any result of the most powerful country in the world using Ukraine as a battleground to attack the most powerful country in the region. This is not the smart position, this is attempting to shut down upsetting discussions with circular nonsense. Putting "helloo" in front of a claim is not an argument, any more than "oh, please" or "come on!"

moneytide1 4y ago
The colder the climate is across millennia, the more likely the inhabitants are to have the courage to try the difficult thing(s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin
radu_floricica 4y ago
Took me a while to parse your comment and I'm not sure I got it, but I think the key is "US was fomenting a coup". Everybody was fomenting a coup, obviously. Probably even the Chinese were having people on the ground. Doesn't automatically make everything that happened there a result of US action.