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Do you have a source for the claim of lowest cumulative excess deaths percentage of all of the OECD? Because as far as I can tell [1] there are a couple countri

Do you have a source for the claim of lowest cumulative excess deaths percentage of all of the OECD? Because as far as I can tell [1] there are a couple countries, such as Japan or New Zealand that have done quite a bit better. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

wang_li 4y ago
This article among many others that can be found online: https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that-refused-lockdown-and-kept-schools-open-has-lowest-pandemic-cumulative-excess-mortality-in-the-world/ https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that... Data comes from: https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676 https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
- welterde 4y ago
  Quite a large difference in excess deaths compared to the other study with New Zealand being especially striking (+6588 from the OECD study vs -440 in the economist one). The analysis code and description for the study I linked to can be found here [1], which is always nice to see. And browsing through different scientific studies on excess deaths I see negative values for NZ much more often than positive values (see for example [2]), so I am thinking that the OECD study is more of an outlier here (see [3] for a meta-analysis). [1] https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-track... [2] https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf [3] https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702/article_deploy/vaccines-10-01702-v2.pdf?version=1665646646 https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702...
  - ghaff 4y ago
    The striking thing about The Economist list is that, while you can point to various data points and come up with a rationale why one might be low or another might be high (e.g. NZ is a small island nation that pretty much closed its borders). overall there really isn't much of a pattern. What is it about the Balkans that puts them towards the top of the list? Why did Lithuania fare significantly worse than Estonia? And while Sweden did a bit worse than Norway and Denmark, it did better than Finland in terms of excess deaths percentage.

wang_li 4y ago

This article among many others that can be found online: https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that-refused-lockdown-and-kept-schools-open-has-lowest-pandemic-cumulative-excess-mortality-in-the-world/ https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that... Data comes from: https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676 https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676

welterde 4y ago
Quite a large difference in excess deaths compared to the other study with New Zealand being especially striking (+6588 from the OECD study vs -440 in the economist one). The analysis code and description for the study I linked to can be found here [1], which is always nice to see. And browsing through different scientific studies on excess deaths I see negative values for NZ much more often than positive values (see for example [2]), so I am thinking that the OECD study is more of an outlier here (see [3] for a meta-analysis). [1] https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-track... [2] https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf [3] https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702/article_deploy/vaccines-10-01702-v2.pdf?version=1665646646 https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702...
- ghaff 4y ago
  The striking thing about The Economist list is that, while you can point to various data points and come up with a rationale why one might be low or another might be high (e.g. NZ is a small island nation that pretty much closed its borders). overall there really isn't much of a pattern. What is it about the Balkans that puts them towards the top of the list? Why did Lithuania fare significantly worse than Estonia? And while Sweden did a bit worse than Norway and Denmark, it did better than Finland in terms of excess deaths percentage.