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Your build quality comparison is off, a cheap $500 laptop should be compared to prior years Macbook Air M1 which is $300 more, not $2000 more. A $800 macbook h

Your build quality comparison is off, a cheap $500 laptop should be compared to prior years Macbook Air M1 which is $300 more, not $2000 more. A $800 macbook has far better build quality than any $500 Windows laptop, probably better than most $800 laptops. Its Windows that's the issue for me. Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft, I choose Apple because its not MS and it does work vs. tinkering with stuff on Linux. Apple phones are usually behind in whiz-bang features that Samsung and some others have but my opinion is killer features for smart phones are in the rear view mirror by a few years. Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point (i.e. switching and you'd have to buy things again).

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>Its Windows that's the issue for me. That has nothing to do with build quality >Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft Well at least you admit your bias, as someone that works in enterprise and manages 1000's of windows computers i can say i would never want to attempt that with Apple who does not have the enterprise tooling that MS does before I was in enterprise I felt the same about windows and primarily used Linux, I would never use a Apple which shows my bais... If apple was the last computer on earth I would crush it... >>Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point I agree with that, and that should change, but I value my freedom too much ever to surrender it for Apple's walled garden
- mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
  Ironic you talk of a walled garden and work in Enterprise IT creating a ... walled garden for your users (enterprise tooling like pre-installed images, not being able to install apps as admin, etc.) because its easier to support. Oh I don't for a second think Apple stuff would ever compete with 1000's of devices being managed from an Enterprise IT department. I lived in that environment for a while and would dual boot to linux, run VirtualBox or get a 2nd PC from IT and wipe it and install linux.
macspoofing 4y ago
>A $800 macbook has far better build quality than any $500 Windows laptop Took a peak at the apple store, there is no $800 Macbook for sale. So we're comparing, an older (used?) higher-end Macbook to a budget Windows laptop? Why not compare an older higher-end Windows laptop to an older Macbook? Why not compare a new $500 budget Windows laptop to a $500 used Macbook? >Its Windows that's the issue for me. Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft You have a have a subjective preference - fine - we all do. So why pretend there is some objective measure here of Apple's superiority? Apple sells very expensive higher-end devices. The reality is that the quality of those devices is about on par with other devices in that class.
- mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
  2020 Macbook Air M1 on amazon, brand new, $800 in ads I see when I google for it: https://www.google.com/search?&q=macbook+air+m1 https://www.google.com/search?&q=macbook+air+m1
- ask_b123 4y ago
  > Took a peak at the apple store, there is no $800 Macbook for sale $849 https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-air https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-air
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    To be fair if we're talking about used you can get $1200 new windows laptops for $800 used too so not really a fair comparison.
    - ask_b123 4y ago
      That's true... I guess the argument that as a student you can get an M1 macbook air for 900 or that Mac minis start at 700 (non student) also wouldn't work (because minis aren't macbooks and not everyone is a student).
  - macspoofing 4y ago

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>Its Windows that's the issue for me. That has nothing to do with build quality >Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft Well at least you admit your bias, as someone that works in enterprise and manages 1000's of windows computers i can say i would never want to attempt that with Apple who does not have the enterprise tooling that MS does before I was in enterprise I felt the same about windows and primarily used Linux, I would never use a Apple which shows my bais... If apple was the last computer on earth I would crush it... >>Any of them are just fine and its more about the ecosystem and purchase history at this point I agree with that, and that should change, but I value my freedom too much ever to surrender it for Apple's walled garden

mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
Ironic you talk of a walled garden and work in Enterprise IT creating a ... walled garden for your users (enterprise tooling like pre-installed images, not being able to install apps as admin, etc.) because its easier to support. Oh I don't for a second think Apple stuff would ever compete with 1000's of devices being managed from an Enterprise IT department. I lived in that environment for a while and would dual boot to linux, run VirtualBox or get a 2nd PC from IT and wipe it and install linux.

macspoofing 4y ago

>A $800 macbook has far better build quality than any $500 Windows laptop Took a peak at the apple store, there is no $800 Macbook for sale. So we're comparing, an older (used?) higher-end Macbook to a budget Windows laptop? Why not compare an older higher-end Windows laptop to an older Macbook? Why not compare a new $500 budget Windows laptop to a $500 used Macbook? >Its Windows that's the issue for me. Having too many bad experiences and strong bias against Microsoft You have a have a subjective preference - fine - we all do. So why pretend there is some objective measure here of Apple's superiority? Apple sells very expensive higher-end devices. The reality is that the quality of those devices is about on par with other devices in that class.

mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
2020 Macbook Air M1 on amazon, brand new, $800 in ads I see when I google for it: https://www.google.com/search?&q=macbook+air+m1 https://www.google.com/search?&q=macbook+air+m1
ask_b123 4y ago
> Took a peak at the apple store, there is no $800 Macbook for sale $849 https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-air https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-air
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  To be fair if we're talking about used you can get $1200 new windows laptops for $800 used too so not really a fair comparison.
  - ask_b123 4y ago
    That's true... I guess the argument that as a student you can get an M1 macbook air for 900 or that Mac minis start at 700 (non student) also wouldn't work (because minis aren't macbooks and not everyone is a student).
- macspoofing 4y ago