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Stringent lock downs are not the only solution. Sweden had an extremely light touch with very few restrictions, were heavily shit on for their “mishandling” of

Stringent lock downs are not the only solution. Sweden had an extremely light touch with very few restrictions, were heavily shit on for their “mishandling” of Covid, but as of now they have the lowest cumulative excess deaths percentage of all the OECD during the Covid era.

welterde 4y ago
Do you have a source for the claim of lowest cumulative excess deaths percentage of all of the OECD? Because as far as I can tell [1] there are a couple countries, such as Japan or New Zealand that have done quite a bit better. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
- wang_li 4y ago
  This article among many others that can be found online: https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that-refused-lockdown-and-kept-schools-open-has-lowest-pandemic-cumulative-excess-mortality-in-the-world/ https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that... Data comes from: https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676 https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
  - welterde 4y ago
    Quite a large difference in excess deaths compared to the other study with New Zealand being especially striking (+6588 from the OECD study vs -440 in the economist one). The analysis code and description for the study I linked to can be found here [1], which is always nice to see. And browsing through different scientific studies on excess deaths I see negative values for NZ much more often than positive values (see for example [2]), so I am thinking that the OECD study is more of an outlier here (see [3] for a meta-analysis). [1] https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-track... [2] https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf [3] https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702/article_deploy/vaccines-10-01702-v2.pdf?version=1665646646 https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702...
    - ghaff 4y ago
      The striking thing about The Economist list is that, while you can point to various data points and come up with a rationale why one might be low or another might be high (e.g. NZ is a small island nation that pretty much closed its borders). overall there really isn't much of a pattern. What is it about the Balkans that puts them towards the top of the list? Why did Lithuania fare significantly worse than Estonia? And while Sweden did a bit worse than Norway and Denmark, it did better than Finland in terms of excess deaths percentage.

welterde 4y ago

Do you have a source for the claim of lowest cumulative excess deaths percentage of all of the OECD? Because as far as I can tell [1] there are a couple countries, such as Japan or New Zealand that have done quite a bit better. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

wang_li 4y ago
This article among many others that can be found online: https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that-refused-lockdown-and-kept-schools-open-has-lowest-pandemic-cumulative-excess-mortality-in-the-world/ https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/08/sweden-wins-country-that... Data comes from: https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676 https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
- welterde 4y ago
  Quite a large difference in excess deaths compared to the other study with New Zealand being especially striking (+6588 from the OECD study vs -440 in the economist one). The analysis code and description for the study I linked to can be found here [1], which is always nice to see. And browsing through different scientific studies on excess deaths I see negative values for NZ much more often than positive values (see for example [2]), so I am thinking that the OECD study is more of an outlier here (see [3] for a meta-analysis). [1] https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-track... [2] https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336.pdf [3] https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702/article_deploy/vaccines-10-01702-v2.pdf?version=1665646646 https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-01702...
  - ghaff 4y ago
    The striking thing about The Economist list is that, while you can point to various data points and come up with a rationale why one might be low or another might be high (e.g. NZ is a small island nation that pretty much closed its borders). overall there really isn't much of a pattern. What is it about the Balkans that puts them towards the top of the list? Why did Lithuania fare significantly worse than Estonia? And while Sweden did a bit worse than Norway and Denmark, it did better than Finland in terms of excess deaths percentage.