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A (tenured) professor told me he presents these ideas as a 2x2 for new untenured faculty: One axis is to work on what you think will be fun, or work on stuff y

by jp57 4y ago

A (tenured) professor told me he presents these ideas as a 2x2 for new untenured faculty: One axis is to work on what you think will be fun, or work on stuff you're not interested in, but that you think will get you tenure. On the other axis, you get tenure or you don't. Evaluate the likelihood of happiness in each box. He thought it broke down roughly like this: fun + tenure = Awesome! fun + no tenure = Not bad, you still got paid for six years to work on fun stuff, which probably more than you'll get anywhere else. no fun + tenure = Okay, but was six years of no fun really worth it? no fun + no tenure = What am I even doing? He thought it was clear that working on fun interesting stuff before tenure maximized happiness. Your milage may vary.

jasonhong 4y ago
While I love 2x2 matrices, there are two incredibly important things missing. The first is the career of the PhD students you (as the faculty) are mentoring and supervising. Sure, you might do fun things, but if it ends up not helping their career, then you as the faculty have really failed them. This issue of students is something often missing in discussions of the modern research enterprise. Speaking as a computer science faculty, if a PhD student wants to compete for an academic job, they need about 1 publication per year. Sure, back in the 1970s and 1980s you could get a CS faculty job with just 1 good publication, but that's not the case anymore. Of course, everyone is doing this, which then leads to more publications overall. The second is the overall funding of science. There's an unstated compact that the public is funding science to help solve important problems and lead to breakthroughs that can advance the economy. This is the framework that has been in place in the USA since WWII thanks to Vannevar Bush, and is why NSF, NIH, and other funding agencies exist. Sure, as researcher, I strongly agree that we should be doing things we view as fun. But those fun things should have some angle as to why others should care. Another way of framing this is Pasteur's Quadrant, which is good science and good applications. The more general advice I give to all students (undergrad, MS, and PhD) when looking for jobs: do something that is (1) fun (because there are many job opportunities in our field and life is short), (2) something that will keep pushing your boundaries (because you're smart and will be bored otherwise), and (3) good for humanity.
- jp57 4y ago
  There's a vicious cycle here: One must work on "important" problems in order to get funding that mostly goes to pay too many grad students whose work allows new grants applications to happen, which then reqires more grad students. As a result, departments deliberately take on many more grad students than they will reasonably be able to place in tenure-track jobs. Thus every incoming class of PhD students contains a large fraction (more than half) whose careers will never be served by holding their noses to an unpleasant grindstone. Much in the way humanities departments exploit PhD students for cheap teaching labor, science departments exploit PhD students to keep the stream of indirect funding coming in. A big grant that requires a lot of assistants provides a lot of indirect funding for hiring and paying administrators. (Also, I would argue that advancing the economy is not actually part of the compact for the NSF, which is really a jobs program for scientists based on the experience during WWII that having scientists around in a pinch was really useful.) Interestingly, not every field is on this economic treadmill. Mathematics (pure, not applied), seems to declare problems as important based on whether they're unsolved and subjectively interesting. And economics, unsurprisingly, doesn't consider it rational to run large PhD programs that flood the market with competitors and reduce the market value of an economics PhD.
derbOac 4y ago
As someone who has had tenure, this is exactly correct. The catch is that that process doesn't end with tenure.

by jp57 4y ago

jasonhong 4y ago

While I love 2x2 matrices, there are two incredibly important things missing. The first is the career of the PhD students you (as the faculty) are mentoring and supervising. Sure, you might do fun things, but if it ends up not helping their career, then you as the faculty have really failed them. This issue of students is something often missing in discussions of the modern research enterprise. Speaking as a computer science faculty, if a PhD student wants to compete for an academic job, they need about 1 publication per year. Sure, back in the 1970s and 1980s you could get a CS faculty job with just 1 good publication, but that's not the case anymore. Of course, everyone is doing this, which then leads to more publications overall. The second is the overall funding of science. There's an unstated compact that the public is funding science to help solve important problems and lead to breakthroughs that can advance the economy. This is the framework that has been in place in the USA since WWII thanks to Vannevar Bush, and is why NSF, NIH, and other funding agencies exist. Sure, as researcher, I strongly agree that we should be doing things we view as fun. But those fun things should have some angle as to why others should care. Another way of framing this is Pasteur's Quadrant, which is good science and good applications. The more general advice I give to all students (undergrad, MS, and PhD) when looking for jobs: do something that is (1) fun (because there are many job opportunities in our field and life is short), (2) something that will keep pushing your boundaries (because you're smart and will be bored otherwise), and (3) good for humanity.

jp57 4y ago
There's a vicious cycle here: One must work on "important" problems in order to get funding that mostly goes to pay too many grad students whose work allows new grants applications to happen, which then reqires more grad students. As a result, departments deliberately take on many more grad students than they will reasonably be able to place in tenure-track jobs. Thus every incoming class of PhD students contains a large fraction (more than half) whose careers will never be served by holding their noses to an unpleasant grindstone. Much in the way humanities departments exploit PhD students for cheap teaching labor, science departments exploit PhD students to keep the stream of indirect funding coming in. A big grant that requires a lot of assistants provides a lot of indirect funding for hiring and paying administrators. (Also, I would argue that advancing the economy is not actually part of the compact for the NSF, which is really a jobs program for scientists based on the experience during WWII that having scientists around in a pinch was really useful.) Interestingly, not every field is on this economic treadmill. Mathematics (pure, not applied), seems to declare problems as important based on whether they're unsolved and subjectively interesting. And economics, unsurprisingly, doesn't consider it rational to run large PhD programs that flood the market with competitors and reduce the market value of an economics PhD.

derbOac 4y ago

As someone who has had tenure, this is exactly correct. The catch is that that process doesn't end with tenure.