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Some countries (UK, France, Denmark) show confirmed Covid deaths outstripping excess deaths. I wonder why that is.

by flir 4y ago

lapcat 4y ago
Could be Covid-inspired change in behavior/lifestyle that resulted in fewer deaths from other causes.
defrost 4y ago
Lockdowns and reduced movements limited both COVID spread and "regular deaths" (due to say, traffic accidents, work accidents, other respiratory diseases that were also suppresed by increased hygiene, etc). The end result; overall lower rate of death than usual, and a chunk of the deaths that did occur due to COVID.
- Thlom 4y ago
  Yeah. My country had fewer deaths than usual in 2020 and 2021, and a bit more than usual so far in 2022.
oxfordmale 4y ago
There a number of reasons, however, co-morbidity plays an important role. If you have stage 4 terminal cancer, any viral infection can push you over the edge. In normal years you wouldn't even get tested for this.
Neil44 4y ago
In the UK at least a death where the person had tested +ve for covid within a certain (quite long) time period was recorded as a covid death. So you catch covid, recover, then get hit by a bus. Covid death. Meanwhile some countries report next to no deaths, also clearly not correct. The reported data is clearly close to worthless and yet it suits too many people's purposes to use it.
- exDM69 4y ago
  This is uniform across Europe, it's 30 days from a positive test to have comparable numbers. That isn't very reliable any more as testing is reduced and not comparable from country to country (it was more reliable in 2020). The "got hit by bus after positive test" group is so small it's negligible. E.g. in my country, there have been more covid deaths in two weeks than traffic accidents during the whole year. Because of the variation in testing practices, excess deaths is the only reliable statistic we have now.
- SapporoChris 4y ago
  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062236/Guidance_for_Doctors_completing_medical_certificates_Mar_22.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... "You are asked to start with the immediate, direct cause of death on line Ia, then to go back through the sequence of events or conditions that led to death on subsequent lines, until you reach the one that started the fatal sequence." Seems unlikely that someone getting hit by a bus would be listed as a Covid death. I would be interested in your source.
  - Neil44 4y ago
    "death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and died within (equal to or less than) 28 days of the first positive specimen date will now be reported" https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/ https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-da...
    - _djo_ 4y ago
      Contextually this is clearly about people who died of disease, rather than accidents. It actually represented a tightening of the earlier definition, therefore resulting in the number of deaths defined as being from COVID-19 being reduced by around 5000.
      - Neil44 4y ago

Some countries (UK, France, Denmark) show confirmed Covid deaths outstripping excess deaths. I wonder why that is.

by flir 4y ago

Some countries (UK, France, Denmark) show confirmed Covid deaths outstripping excess deaths. I wonder why that is.

lapcat 4y ago

Could be Covid-inspired change in behavior/lifestyle that resulted in fewer deaths from other causes.

defrost 4y ago

Lockdowns and reduced movements limited both COVID spread and "regular deaths" (due to say, traffic accidents, work accidents, other respiratory diseases that were also suppresed by increased hygiene, etc). The end result; overall lower rate of death than usual, and a chunk of the deaths that did occur due to COVID.

Thlom 4y ago
Yeah. My country had fewer deaths than usual in 2020 and 2021, and a bit more than usual so far in 2022.

oxfordmale 4y ago

There a number of reasons, however, co-morbidity plays an important role. If you have stage 4 terminal cancer, any viral infection can push you over the edge. In normal years you wouldn't even get tested for this.

Neil44 4y ago

In the UK at least a death where the person had tested +ve for covid within a certain (quite long) time period was recorded as a covid death. So you catch covid, recover, then get hit by a bus. Covid death. Meanwhile some countries report next to no deaths, also clearly not correct. The reported data is clearly close to worthless and yet it suits too many people's purposes to use it.

exDM69 4y ago
This is uniform across Europe, it's 30 days from a positive test to have comparable numbers. That isn't very reliable any more as testing is reduced and not comparable from country to country (it was more reliable in 2020). The "got hit by bus after positive test" group is so small it's negligible. E.g. in my country, there have been more covid deaths in two weeks than traffic accidents during the whole year. Because of the variation in testing practices, excess deaths is the only reliable statistic we have now.
SapporoChris 4y ago
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062236/Guidance_for_Doctors_completing_medical_certificates_Mar_22.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... "You are asked to start with the immediate, direct cause of death on line Ia, then to go back through the sequence of events or conditions that led to death on subsequent lines, until you reach the one that started the fatal sequence." Seems unlikely that someone getting hit by a bus would be listed as a Covid death. I would be interested in your source.
- Neil44 4y ago
  "death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and died within (equal to or less than) 28 days of the first positive specimen date will now be reported" https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/ https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-da...
  - _djo_ 4y ago
    Contextually this is clearly about people who died of disease, rather than accidents. It actually represented a tightening of the earlier definition, therefore resulting in the number of deaths defined as being from COVID-19 being reduced by around 5000.
    - Neil44 4y ago