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Really? Kind of like the point that I was responding to? The one that made all those good points about how great Leper'd is? Yes, exactly like it. That post wa
by unalone 18y ago
Really? Kind of like the point that I was responding to? The one that made all those good points about how great Leper'd is?
Yes, exactly like it. That post was also pointless.
For instance, Apple is always trying to lock you into: their hardware, their iTunes store, their AppStore, their ONE way of doing things (see the pattern here?)
Apple has complete control over their product. I think that is a good thing. I would shudder to think of OS X running on a Dell or an HP: it would be incomplete. As for iTunes, you can add music from outside of it and it still works. The App Store I'm hoping becomes more open - you've got a point there - but it lies entirely outside of Leopard.
Can you do that with Apple? No, instead Apple locks you into two choices: "somewhat expensive" and "really expensive".
Apple has had a choice for a long time: the choice between compromise and excellence. I am glad that they have never dumbed down their products for the sake of cheapening their product line: it has kept the brand as pure and as good as it ought to be.
but if they aren't good enough for you there's a billion dollar market for third-party components that you can use. On the Mac? Not so much.
I'm not a programmer, so I can't argue with you here. You might have a point here: I'm not entirely certain.
Then we come to user experience. I'm a power user and I could go on for days about how bad I think the Mac user interface is. I simply don't want to get into that with you, it's a very, very long discussion.
I'm not a power user. I like getting things done quickly, absolutely, and Apple makes it possible to operate entirely out of the command line if you want. I don't go that far. And as far as "power casual" - intuitive AND quick - Apple is bar none. Its ease of use is staggering compared to Windows or Linux.
Suffice it to say that Apple is very opinionated about the way they think YOU should work and if you can't see that, you're blind.
Of course I see that. I see it and like it. Nothing good has ever come out of being mild. Apple is certain that its way is the right way, and I almost always agree with it, and because of that, they've created the far superior product.
I'll take Windows over OSuX any day thx.
See, people call Apple users smug, and then say dickish things like this. I've never understood that. Of course I love Apple, but I try to at least be mature about it. Windows users get so childish and then turn around and call us smug.
If you don't want to debate, then don't debate. But don't jump in, insult something, and then get prim when the conversation doesn't end there.
- wizlb 18y agoThat's because you're passive/aggressive and I'm aggressive/aggressive. Not a big deal. You say dickish things in a passive aggressive way like "Every part of it has been lovingly slavered over to perfection" or "I'm fairly certain there are more convert stories among people who have used the Mac than there are stories of people disliking them." or "I can't possibly imagine people liking Windows more once they get into OS X." or "Microsoft added features that look "Mac-like" but without the inherent usability." or "OS X feels like a complete solution in a way" And then you hide behind comments like "No offense meant..." or "I don't want to start a flame war" ...BUT.
- unalone 18y agoI'm aggressive/aggressive, too. I just have tact, which you seem to lack. You say dickish things in a passive aggressive way like "Every part of it has been lovingly slavered over to perfection" It's not dickish if it's true. or "I'm fairly certain there are more convert stories among people who have used the Mac than there are stories of people disliking them." or "I can't possibly imagine people liking Windows more once they get into OS X." This isn't passive aggressive. This is genuinely what I believe. "Microsoft added features that look "Mac-like" but without the inherent usability." It's not dickish if it's true. "OS X feels like a complete solution in a way" It's not dickish if it's true. And then you hide behind comments like "No offense meant..." or "I don't want to start a flame war" ...BUT. I've had arguments with Windows users that actually were productive and led to interesting arguments being made. That's why when I write, I deliberately avoid, y'know, calling people dickish. It's why I've avoided insulting you directly during this debate. I mean, you've got an opinion, and my opinion's that your opinion's wrong, but I genuinely think it's possible for people who disagree with one another to learn from each other, and I think it's only possible if you leave the discussion open enough to let the other person talk. This isn't a matter of conflicting personalities. You're attempting to get some sort of emotional response, and I'm treating this like a debate. I'd rather not have things get ugly on HN: I made that mistake before and it led to a really stupid pissing war. I'd like to believe that you've genuinely got something interesting to say, and you come close to making interesting points, but then you piss that away and start the personal attacks. Stop it.