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An animal lab is by definition grim. I've also been in many, including the very UC Davis lab where these neuralink studies were done, many times. What you ref

An animal lab is by definition grim. I've also been in many, including the very UC Davis lab where these neuralink studies were done, many times. What you reference is clearly a PR campaign from Neuralink in response to: "In a lengthy complaint filed with the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) said the research caused “extreme suffering” in its test subjects, who “had their brains mutilated in shoddy experiments and were left to suffer and die”..."PCRM obtained hundreds of pages of health records, necropsy reports and other documents related to the $1.4m partnership through California’s open records laws. It said the documents reveal the monkeys suffered “extreme psychological distress” from the “crude surgeries” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/elon-musk-neuralink-animal-cruelty-allegations https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/...

xedeon 4y ago
Let's be intellectually honest here. Do you have any substantiated sources? Those are claims. I can make a false claim that you did the same. Also, Ashley Vance does not work for Neuralink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Vance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Vance
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  Sounds good: "More than 600 pages of records previously released by UC Davis showed monkeys suffering from chronic infections, seizures, paralysis, and painful side effects following experiments by Neuralink. In two separate incidents, experimenters used an unapproved adhesive called BioGlue to fill holes in the animals’ skulls, which seeped through to the monkeys’ brains. In one monkey, the use of BioGlue caused bleeding in her brain, and she vomited so much from the resulting side effects that she developed open sores in her esophagus." https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220926005606/en/Physicians-Committee%E2%80%99s-Lawsuit-Against-Elon-Musk-Company-Neuralink-Reveals-Existence-of-Hundreds-of-Photos-of-Monkeys-Used-in-Painful-Experiments https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220926005606/en/Phy... There are many ways for a company to compensate people, other than hiring them as an employee (consulting fees, board seat, stock, etc.) I sincerely doubt Ms. Vance is doing this for free. I cannot reply to the below reply to this post from Mr. Vance, so I've edited my comment here to conceded the point I made in my last paragraph. It seems that Ms. Vance is not being compensated by Neuralink for these statements. Why anyone would give their precious time away to a billionaire is beyond me, but to each their own I guess.
  - xedeon 4y ago
    I'm not sure you understand what "substantiated" means. > There are many ways for a company to compensate people, other than hiring them as an employee (consulting fees, board seat, stock, etc.) Again, that's a claim. The burden of proof is on you. Do you have any? > I sincerely doubt Ms. Vance is doing this for free. It's Mr. Vance.
    - iancmceachern 4y ago
      Hey Mr. Vance, it looks like many folks disagree with you and your wife's stance on Neuralink, including some of their own employees. See this article and associated comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33872950#33874405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33872950#33874405
      - iancmceachern 4y ago
        And here is more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33878219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33878219 It appears that they have killed 1500 animals so far, that is a staggering number. For context most of the projects I've worked on use a total of a dozen or so animals over the course of the entire program, and those devices are on the market.
      - xedeon 4y ago
        My question for you is, has any of it been “substantiated”? Because so far I haven’t seen any ruling, fine, or confirmation from any governing body.
    - SlickNixon 4y ago
      Your initial (implicit) claim was that Ashlee Vance is an unbiased observer, which has yet to be substantiated. How can we know that Vance is self-censoring? We can't. I'm sure they believe everything they're saying, but if they believed something different they would not be touring the Neuralink labs.
      - 4y ago

xedeon 4y ago

Let's be intellectually honest here. Do you have any substantiated sources? Those are claims. I can make a false claim that you did the same. Also, Ashley Vance does not work for Neuralink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Vance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Vance

iancmceachern 4y ago
Sounds good: "More than 600 pages of records previously released by UC Davis showed monkeys suffering from chronic infections, seizures, paralysis, and painful side effects following experiments by Neuralink. In two separate incidents, experimenters used an unapproved adhesive called BioGlue to fill holes in the animals’ skulls, which seeped through to the monkeys’ brains. In one monkey, the use of BioGlue caused bleeding in her brain, and she vomited so much from the resulting side effects that she developed open sores in her esophagus." https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220926005606/en/Physicians-Committee%E2%80%99s-Lawsuit-Against-Elon-Musk-Company-Neuralink-Reveals-Existence-of-Hundreds-of-Photos-of-Monkeys-Used-in-Painful-Experiments https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220926005606/en/Phy... There are many ways for a company to compensate people, other than hiring them as an employee (consulting fees, board seat, stock, etc.) I sincerely doubt Ms. Vance is doing this for free. I cannot reply to the below reply to this post from Mr. Vance, so I've edited my comment here to conceded the point I made in my last paragraph. It seems that Ms. Vance is not being compensated by Neuralink for these statements. Why anyone would give their precious time away to a billionaire is beyond me, but to each their own I guess.
- xedeon 4y ago
  I'm not sure you understand what "substantiated" means. > There are many ways for a company to compensate people, other than hiring them as an employee (consulting fees, board seat, stock, etc.) Again, that's a claim. The burden of proof is on you. Do you have any? > I sincerely doubt Ms. Vance is doing this for free. It's Mr. Vance.
  - iancmceachern 4y ago
    Hey Mr. Vance, it looks like many folks disagree with you and your wife's stance on Neuralink, including some of their own employees. See this article and associated comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33872950#33874405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33872950#33874405
    - iancmceachern 4y ago
      And here is more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33878219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33878219 It appears that they have killed 1500 animals so far, that is a staggering number. For context most of the projects I've worked on use a total of a dozen or so animals over the course of the entire program, and those devices are on the market.
    - xedeon 4y ago
      My question for you is, has any of it been “substantiated”? Because so far I haven’t seen any ruling, fine, or confirmation from any governing body.
  - SlickNixon 4y ago
    Your initial (implicit) claim was that Ashlee Vance is an unbiased observer, which has yet to be substantiated. How can we know that Vance is self-censoring? We can't. I'm sure they believe everything they're saying, but if they believed something different they would not be touring the Neuralink labs.
    - 4y ago