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I don’t get how so many smart people here don’t understand this. It is not the job of the media to accuse people of having committed crimes, and it is dangerou

I don’t get how so many smart people here don’t understand this. It is not the job of the media to accuse people of having committed crimes, and it is dangerous for most people to do so. Defamation is a real thing. Publicly accuse someone of a crime they did not commit, and they have a legitimate civil cause of action against you. If you can get people to go on the record with their own accusations, great, but those people, too, would be exposing themselves to potential liability. If SBF is charged, the media will be all over it, and the coverage will be based on official records and statements. That is how news coverage of crime works. It is precisely because SBF has not been charged that the information needed to substantiate a news story tying him to criminal activity is unavailable.

anonymousiam 4y ago
If what you say is true, how do you explain daily (for years) dribble from CNN about Trump's "collusion" and how he was going to be in jail very soon?
- SpelingBeeChamp 4y ago
  I don’t know what you are referring to.
  - grateful_spirit 4y ago
    https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE The walls are closing in
    - lordfrito 4y ago
      This was great thanks... Also there's this [1], which just boggles my mind. I can't make sense of this level of centralized message control and dissemination. It's straight out of 1984. It's hard to believe "the media" (whoever "they" are) has an agenda... it's tinfoil hat stuff.. Usually I write it off as emergent behavior of collective groups of humans trying to make $$$ from clicks, standard selfish behavior + time, leading to a race towards the bottom that looks like this. But watching those clip segments it's pretty clear there's a story/narrative being pitched by someone with the leverage to do so. Is this propaganda? What is propaganda? How can I recognize it? Is everything propaganda? Has "the media" been captured and become a tool of whatever "system" is controlling things? This is the kind of stuff Jean Baudrillard was writing about. Sometimes we get journalism other times we get whatever that this stuff is. I don't have a problem with journalists sticking to the facts, SBF hasn't been charged, so lets not lynch him just yet. But hopefully he's being investigated (they usually don't announce when they are investigating someone, as it puts them on notice). Overall I think this is a direct result the 1996 Telecommunications Act which eliminated the rules on the number of radio stations a company could own (which also was one of the most lobbied bills in history). In hindsight this was a big mistake, and set things up for the kind of centralized messaging we see. There was hope that internet "streams" would help reset things, but with FAANG we're back to a small group of companies controlling what you see and hear. Distrust of the media is at an all time high because of this kind of stuff. It's hard to put your finger on, but your gut says something is very wrong. No wonder so many people go down the tinfoil hat rabbit hole. They're simply trying to make sense of the world they're now living in. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI
      - esparrohack 4y ago
        That’s what I think it’s funny. “Why is it so hard to believe the media has an agenda?” Why wouldn’t it? See Agenda Setting Theory. All mass media can be propaganda. It’s always a political tool. Yeah, they were farming for clicks, but to get you to read, not to make money. You’re not supposed to notice that it’s propaganda tho. Otherwise it loses its power. That’s why you’re getting that gut feeling. So there is something to be said about a decline in the quality of American propaganda I think the trick is that when ppl think “propaganda” they think external, to/from another country. But internal propaganda is taboo The word has a bad connotation for historical reasons but it’s actually a neutral term.
        esparrohack 4y ago
        As for politics, you can assume everything is propaganda.
  - fundad 4y ago
    Never heard of her
- fundad 4y ago
  Trump was in the headlines as much as he wanted to but relating to legal troubles, they only report developments in the investigation. They did then repeat Bill Barr when he said there was no collusion.
- electrondood 4y ago
  Not sure why "collusion" is in air quotes. They met with a KGB agent in Trump Tower to discuss the lifting of sanctions in exchange for election interference on his behalf, and his campaign manager admitted giving their voter data to the Russians.
hnfong 4y ago
> It is not the job of the media to accuse people of having committed crimes, and it is dangerous for most people to do so. Defamation is a real thing. Publicly accuse someone of a crime they did not commit, and they have a legitimate civil cause of action against you. It's indeed dangerous for "most people" to do so. However, in many jurisdictions, the media gets more protection against defamation claims than the average person because of their public duty to report alleged criminal behavior. The press doesn't get to receive special treatment in defamation law and then claim they're not going to report facts because they fear legal consequences.
esparrohack 4y ago
They’re trying to change public opinion to avoid the charge or buy time to plan.

anonymousiam 4y ago

If what you say is true, how do you explain daily (for years) dribble from CNN about Trump's "collusion" and how he was going to be in jail very soon?

SpelingBeeChamp 4y ago
I don’t know what you are referring to.
- grateful_spirit 4y ago
  https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE The walls are closing in
  - lordfrito 4y ago
    This was great thanks... Also there's this [1], which just boggles my mind. I can't make sense of this level of centralized message control and dissemination. It's straight out of 1984. It's hard to believe "the media" (whoever "they" are) has an agenda... it's tinfoil hat stuff.. Usually I write it off as emergent behavior of collective groups of humans trying to make $$$ from clicks, standard selfish behavior + time, leading to a race towards the bottom that looks like this. But watching those clip segments it's pretty clear there's a story/narrative being pitched by someone with the leverage to do so. Is this propaganda? What is propaganda? How can I recognize it? Is everything propaganda? Has "the media" been captured and become a tool of whatever "system" is controlling things? This is the kind of stuff Jean Baudrillard was writing about. Sometimes we get journalism other times we get whatever that this stuff is. I don't have a problem with journalists sticking to the facts, SBF hasn't been charged, so lets not lynch him just yet. But hopefully he's being investigated (they usually don't announce when they are investigating someone, as it puts them on notice). Overall I think this is a direct result the 1996 Telecommunications Act which eliminated the rules on the number of radio stations a company could own (which also was one of the most lobbied bills in history). In hindsight this was a big mistake, and set things up for the kind of centralized messaging we see. There was hope that internet "streams" would help reset things, but with FAANG we're back to a small group of companies controlling what you see and hear. Distrust of the media is at an all time high because of this kind of stuff. It's hard to put your finger on, but your gut says something is very wrong. No wonder so many people go down the tinfoil hat rabbit hole. They're simply trying to make sense of the world they're now living in. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI
    - esparrohack 4y ago
      That’s what I think it’s funny. “Why is it so hard to believe the media has an agenda?” Why wouldn’t it? See Agenda Setting Theory. All mass media can be propaganda. It’s always a political tool. Yeah, they were farming for clicks, but to get you to read, not to make money. You’re not supposed to notice that it’s propaganda tho. Otherwise it loses its power. That’s why you’re getting that gut feeling. So there is something to be said about a decline in the quality of American propaganda I think the trick is that when ppl think “propaganda” they think external, to/from another country. But internal propaganda is taboo The word has a bad connotation for historical reasons but it’s actually a neutral term.
      - esparrohack 4y ago
        As for politics, you can assume everything is propaganda.
- fundad 4y ago
  Never heard of her
fundad 4y ago
Trump was in the headlines as much as he wanted to but relating to legal troubles, they only report developments in the investigation. They did then repeat Bill Barr when he said there was no collusion.
electrondood 4y ago
Not sure why "collusion" is in air quotes. They met with a KGB agent in Trump Tower to discuss the lifting of sanctions in exchange for election interference on his behalf, and his campaign manager admitted giving their voter data to the Russians.

hnfong 4y ago

> It is not the job of the media to accuse people of having committed crimes, and it is dangerous for most people to do so. Defamation is a real thing. Publicly accuse someone of a crime they did not commit, and they have a legitimate civil cause of action against you. It's indeed dangerous for "most people" to do so. However, in many jurisdictions, the media gets more protection against defamation claims than the average person because of their public duty to report alleged criminal behavior. The press doesn't get to receive special treatment in defamation law and then claim they're not going to report facts because they fear legal consequences.

esparrohack 4y ago

They’re trying to change public opinion to avoid the charge or buy time to plan.