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Better: We (the people) ban you from selling phones in our rich and prosperous land if you don’t comply. Signed: Everyone

chrisseaton 4y ago
Why do you need to ban other people from buying them? You can already just opt to not buy them yourself. Why do you care if others still want to? Clearly not signed everyone - I don’t sign it.
- newZWhoDis 4y ago
  Lol we’re well past that. If you’re willing to ban the NFA/legalize probate nuclear weapons we might be able to talk. In the mean time I suspect you support at least some level of collective restriction, and that means banning companies from selling locked hardware is fair game.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > I suspect you support at least some level of collective restriction Locked mobile phones don’t hurt people other than the people who choose to use them. That’s different to for example a gun. The only reason to ban iPhones is because you know other people like them as they are and you’re in a minority! You want to enforce a minority opinion on others. That’s morally wrong.
  - kaashif 4y ago
    Your comment still doesn't answer the question "Why do you need to ban other people from buying them?" I think it's a good question that deserves an answer.
    - xdennis 4y ago
      Because it's anti-competitive. Society is advanced when companies have to compete and not just collect taxes from other companies who are trying to do something. The Apple tax is not advancing anything. It's just a stranglehold on innovation promoted with FUD about how running programs is insecure despite the fact that this isn't applied to desktop/laptop computers.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        Apple developing a more secure platform is an innovation and advancement. If the iPhone isn’t the right choice for you buy one of the other thousand phones on the market, and leave other people alone.
      - kaashif 4y ago
        If it's such a stranglehold on innovation, Android will out-innovate and outcompete iOS. Or maybe Apple provides a platform that some users and businesses still find it worth paying for. You're arguing for the government to ban products you don't like when you can just buy something else.
anomaly_ 4y ago
If you seriously think is a majority opinion you need to get out more. The average person wants strong device security, look at the press and angst attracted by cybercrime in recent times.
- xdennis 4y ago
  The discussion is about control. No one is saying devices should be less secure. If you ask people "should you be able to run any program you want on your devices?" I doubt people would answer "yes, on computers, but on phones I should only be able to run what Tim Apple allows me to".
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  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    Most people would answer ‘I’m happy with what’s on the App Store thanks I have no desire to use anything else’.

chrisseaton 4y ago

Why do you need to ban other people from buying them? You can already just opt to not buy them yourself. Why do you care if others still want to? Clearly not signed everyone - I don’t sign it.

newZWhoDis 4y ago
Lol we’re well past that. If you’re willing to ban the NFA/legalize probate nuclear weapons we might be able to talk. In the mean time I suspect you support at least some level of collective restriction, and that means banning companies from selling locked hardware is fair game.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > I suspect you support at least some level of collective restriction Locked mobile phones don’t hurt people other than the people who choose to use them. That’s different to for example a gun. The only reason to ban iPhones is because you know other people like them as they are and you’re in a minority! You want to enforce a minority opinion on others. That’s morally wrong.
- kaashif 4y ago
  Your comment still doesn't answer the question "Why do you need to ban other people from buying them?" I think it's a good question that deserves an answer.
  - xdennis 4y ago
    Because it's anti-competitive. Society is advanced when companies have to compete and not just collect taxes from other companies who are trying to do something. The Apple tax is not advancing anything. It's just a stranglehold on innovation promoted with FUD about how running programs is insecure despite the fact that this isn't applied to desktop/laptop computers.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      Apple developing a more secure platform is an innovation and advancement. If the iPhone isn’t the right choice for you buy one of the other thousand phones on the market, and leave other people alone.
    - kaashif 4y ago
      If it's such a stranglehold on innovation, Android will out-innovate and outcompete iOS. Or maybe Apple provides a platform that some users and businesses still find it worth paying for. You're arguing for the government to ban products you don't like when you can just buy something else.

anomaly_ 4y ago

If you seriously think is a majority opinion you need to get out more. The average person wants strong device security, look at the press and angst attracted by cybercrime in recent times.

xdennis 4y ago
The discussion is about control. No one is saying devices should be less secure. If you ask people "should you be able to run any program you want on your devices?" I doubt people would answer "yes, on computers, but on phones I should only be able to run what Tim Apple allows me to".
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- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Most people would answer ‘I’m happy with what’s on the App Store thanks I have no desire to use anything else’.