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I'm not going to get in a back-and-forth with you about what I hate about Macs. The point is that there are a LOT of people out there that absolutely can't sta

by wizlb 18y ago

I'm not going to get in a back-and-forth with you about what I hate about Macs. The point is that there are a LOT of people out there that absolutely can't stand Macs. As a matter of fact, besides me and my wife EVERY single person in my office hates them (most of us are programmers and YES, we've actually used them before).

unalone 18y ago
Back-and-forth? I asked you a few questions about what you said, and made a few statements of my own. You act like this is a hostile conversation. I don't understand the sort of mindset that doesn't like the Mac, but I acknowledge that it exists. I would still guess that that mindset is in the minority, however: as a casual OS it is vastly better than Windows. Your office experience is not indicative of the majority of computer users.
- wizlb 18y ago
  Not really. What you're asking is outside of the point I'm making.
  - unalone 18y ago
    Fair enough.
- wizlb 18y ago
  Oh and I find it amazing that you think you know what the majority of people are thinking. I'm going off of actual experience talking to actual people that don't live in a bubble. What are you going off of? Your imagination?
  - unalone 18y ago
    Most of the products I use are built by people who use the Mac. That's why I looked into getting a Mac in the first place. 37signals. The Big Noob. The Tumblr team. Paul Graham once wrote an article on using the Mac. The Omni Group and Panic and Delicious Monster. Coudal. Rososo and Vimeo and NowDoThis. Facebook. Everywhere I looked, people told me that the Mac was wonderful and they were fanatic about it. So I gave it a try and found that I was equally fanatic. I'm going off of every designer whose opinion I like and respect. You're going off of people who work in a single environment. If we wanted to be logical, we'd work off of user statistics, where Apple's rated as one of the most satisfactory companies in the nation. They blow competition away. Hence my confidence in my statement. Now, can we drop it, or are you going to continue to make arguments in a debate that's convincing nobody on either side?
    - wizlb 18y ago
      "I'm going off of every designer whose opinion I like and respect." For the record, I'm not JUST going off of my peers at work, I happen to belong to a number of user groups and I also happen to visit many, many real working people in corporate workplaces around the world and I'm quite confident that it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a list of awesome web 2.0 developers that absolutely adore ASP.Net... Anyway, sure, I can drop it as soon as you can drop it :)
      - unalone 18y ago
        Sure. Let's.
rbanffy 18y ago
I use a lot of computers but I don't have that strong feelings about them. What's your point? That you know people who hate Macs? Good for you. I do prefer Linux for work, but I know many people who love Macs and even the ones who don't use them respect Macs as well finished computers with a polished OS. Remember: OSX is kind of Nextstep 5.0 and I can respect that as much as I do respect, say, Solaris, AIX and HP-UX. You may think there is a huge number of people who can't stand Macs, but I assure you it's a very localized phenomena you are observing. Most certainly you are keeping the wrong company. Do they also install neon lights under their cars? Classy...

by wizlb 18y ago

unalone 18y ago

Back-and-forth? I asked you a few questions about what you said, and made a few statements of my own. You act like this is a hostile conversation. I don't understand the sort of mindset that doesn't like the Mac, but I acknowledge that it exists. I would still guess that that mindset is in the minority, however: as a casual OS it is vastly better than Windows. Your office experience is not indicative of the majority of computer users.

wizlb 18y ago
Not really. What you're asking is outside of the point I'm making.
- unalone 18y ago
  Fair enough.
wizlb 18y ago
Oh and I find it amazing that you think you know what the majority of people are thinking. I'm going off of actual experience talking to actual people that don't live in a bubble. What are you going off of? Your imagination?
- unalone 18y ago
  Most of the products I use are built by people who use the Mac. That's why I looked into getting a Mac in the first place. 37signals. The Big Noob. The Tumblr team. Paul Graham once wrote an article on using the Mac. The Omni Group and Panic and Delicious Monster. Coudal. Rososo and Vimeo and NowDoThis. Facebook. Everywhere I looked, people told me that the Mac was wonderful and they were fanatic about it. So I gave it a try and found that I was equally fanatic. I'm going off of every designer whose opinion I like and respect. You're going off of people who work in a single environment. If we wanted to be logical, we'd work off of user statistics, where Apple's rated as one of the most satisfactory companies in the nation. They blow competition away. Hence my confidence in my statement. Now, can we drop it, or are you going to continue to make arguments in a debate that's convincing nobody on either side?
  - wizlb 18y ago
    "I'm going off of every designer whose opinion I like and respect." For the record, I'm not JUST going off of my peers at work, I happen to belong to a number of user groups and I also happen to visit many, many real working people in corporate workplaces around the world and I'm quite confident that it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a list of awesome web 2.0 developers that absolutely adore ASP.Net... Anyway, sure, I can drop it as soon as you can drop it :)
    - unalone 18y ago
      Sure. Let's.

rbanffy 18y ago

I use a lot of computers but I don't have that strong feelings about them. What's your point? That you know people who hate Macs? Good for you. I do prefer Linux for work, but I know many people who love Macs and even the ones who don't use them respect Macs as well finished computers with a polished OS. Remember: OSX is kind of Nextstep 5.0 and I can respect that as much as I do respect, say, Solaris, AIX and HP-UX. You may think there is a huge number of people who can't stand Macs, but I assure you it's a very localized phenomena you are observing. Most certainly you are keeping the wrong company. Do they also install neon lights under their cars? Classy...