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Android is Linux.

by rosnd 4y ago

Android is Linux.

ogsalmanxx 4y ago
Android is Linux w/ Malware … omegalol
adamwk 4y ago
Android is linux as much as iOS is BSD
- surajrmal 4y ago
  What you are referring to isn't Linux. It's Linux + a free desktop compliant userspace. Linux is just a kernel which is in fact shared between both. I'm not sure why the community hasn't come up with a better name to help disambiguate the two.
  - bigfudge 4y ago
    People talk about the Linux kernel vs linux (the complete system). I’m not sure why nerds are still litigating this sort of thing years after the who gnu linux thing.
    - rosnd 4y ago
      > linux (the complete system) Like Android? >I’m not sure why nerds are still litigating this sort of thing years after the who gnu linux thing. Because most Linux users are no longer interacting with GNU/Linux.
- rosnd 4y ago
  How do you mean? The "Android kernel" is not meaningfully different from the Linux kernel. 4.4BSD however was released in 1993, so iOS would've had decades to diverge from it.
  - xnickb 4y ago
    But we'll not know unless they open source it. chuckle
    - mort96 4y ago
      Darwin is open source. Here's the repo for their kernel: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/main https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/main. The userspace stuff can be found here: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS/ https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macO.... Some stuff that's missing from those links, such as launchd, can be found here: https://github.com/apple-opensource?tab=repositories https://github.com/apple-opensource?tab=repositories
yarg 4y ago
With a license that prohibits OEMs from distributing forked versions.
grepLeigh 4y ago
Sure, in the way orcs were elves once.
- rosnd 4y ago
  That's a ridiculous comparison, the Android kernel patchset is tiny https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common-patches/ https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common-patches/ It consists of "massive" changes such as: > Enable writable clock debugfs files which are required for debugging and testing and > Allow drivers to register hooks when IPIs are sent and handled. The statistics of these IPIs are helpful in predicting CPU idle states I suppose any distro backporting fixes is also not Linux? RHEL definitely can't be Linux if Android isn't.
  - anonymous_sorry 4y ago
    This disagreement is purely about semantics. In case its not clear, Linux the operating system typically means the Linux kernel plus a set of unix-inspired GPL-licenced userspace tools. Some (still) call this GNU/Linux, although that is a bit of a mouthful. Android has a completely different userspace to "Linux". The kernel is not the issue.
    - rosnd 4y ago
      Well that's silly, the userspace you are talking about is strictly useless on phones. Every single attempt at building a reasonable mobile userspace for GNU/Linux has been a complete failure. What would that even look like? Almost all graphical GNU/Linux tools depend on X11, which is completely unsuited for phones. But if you want, you can totally install all the GNU userspace tools on Android. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.
      - anonymous_sorry 4y ago
        Nevertheless, there is something people call "Linux" that is a full OS (rather than just a kernel). Android differs substantially from that. Just semantics.

Android is Linux.

by rosnd 4y ago

Android is Linux.

ogsalmanxx 4y ago

Android is Linux w/ Malware … omegalol

adamwk 4y ago

Android is linux as much as iOS is BSD

surajrmal 4y ago
What you are referring to isn't Linux. It's Linux + a free desktop compliant userspace. Linux is just a kernel which is in fact shared between both. I'm not sure why the community hasn't come up with a better name to help disambiguate the two.
- bigfudge 4y ago
  People talk about the Linux kernel vs linux (the complete system). I’m not sure why nerds are still litigating this sort of thing years after the who gnu linux thing.
  - rosnd 4y ago
    > linux (the complete system) Like Android? >I’m not sure why nerds are still litigating this sort of thing years after the who gnu linux thing. Because most Linux users are no longer interacting with GNU/Linux.
rosnd 4y ago
How do you mean? The "Android kernel" is not meaningfully different from the Linux kernel. 4.4BSD however was released in 1993, so iOS would've had decades to diverge from it.
- xnickb 4y ago
  But we'll not know unless they open source it. chuckle
  - mort96 4y ago
    Darwin is open source. Here's the repo for their kernel: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/main https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/main. The userspace stuff can be found here: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS/ https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macO.... Some stuff that's missing from those links, such as launchd, can be found here: https://github.com/apple-opensource?tab=repositories https://github.com/apple-opensource?tab=repositories

yarg 4y ago

With a license that prohibits OEMs from distributing forked versions.

grepLeigh 4y ago

Sure, in the way orcs were elves once.

rosnd 4y ago
That's a ridiculous comparison, the Android kernel patchset is tiny https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common-patches/ https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common-patches/ It consists of "massive" changes such as: > Enable writable clock debugfs files which are required for debugging and testing and > Allow drivers to register hooks when IPIs are sent and handled. The statistics of these IPIs are helpful in predicting CPU idle states I suppose any distro backporting fixes is also not Linux? RHEL definitely can't be Linux if Android isn't.
- anonymous_sorry 4y ago
  This disagreement is purely about semantics. In case its not clear, Linux the operating system typically means the Linux kernel plus a set of unix-inspired GPL-licenced userspace tools. Some (still) call this GNU/Linux, although that is a bit of a mouthful. Android has a completely different userspace to "Linux". The kernel is not the issue.
  - rosnd 4y ago
    Well that's silly, the userspace you are talking about is strictly useless on phones. Every single attempt at building a reasonable mobile userspace for GNU/Linux has been a complete failure. What would that even look like? Almost all graphical GNU/Linux tools depend on X11, which is completely unsuited for phones. But if you want, you can totally install all the GNU userspace tools on Android. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.
    - anonymous_sorry 4y ago
      Nevertheless, there is something people call "Linux" that is a full OS (rather than just a kernel). Android differs substantially from that. Just semantics.