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For what it's worth, I work in a large 30,000 employee company. Everyone gets a Windows machine by default. 6 years ago our department of 200 people "went rogu
by sbarre 4y ago
For what it's worth, I work in a large 30,000 employee company. Everyone gets a Windows machine by default.
6 years ago our department of 200 people "went rogue" and started provisioning Macs, because it was the only way we could hire developers and provide a good developer experience for the work we were doing.
This took some convincing, but it was possible. We agreed to be unsupported by the in-house help desk, but we had 2 people in IT that supported us for provisioning and fixing machines, and sorting out a small amount of required enterprise software like a Cisco VPN client and some fleet management background agents.
Otherwise, we self-organized support over Slack and in-office and also made use of Apple's business support directly.
As of earlier this year, our department is now over 600 people, and we've given our internal IT enough incentive to officially support Macs, which they now do, alongside Windows.
They use some kind of MDM software to manage and update and monitor our Macs the same as they do Windows.
There are also now additional much larger teams in the organization exploring Mac adoption where it makes sense for their developers too, and we could soon have thousands of Macs in use.
So it's definitely possible, even if you have to start small.
- gryf 4y agoUnfortunately we're in a regulated industry so getting a PO signed off for one Mac is nigh on impossible without involving the entire corporate machinery.
- sbarre 4y agoWe are also a highly regulated industry. Not finance but pretty close. I sympathize with you though, it sounds like there's no will to do it, which sucks :(
- lostmsu 4y agoAre your developers forced to use laptops?
- scarface74 4y agoDo you propose they carry desktops back and forth from their office and to conference rooms?
- lostmsu 4y agoEvery conference room could have a device to facilitate presentation.
- scarface74 4y agoWhat device is going to have my PowerPoint slides, my IDE, my logged in AWS account, etc and everything else I need for demos? Where I work, every conference room in every corporate office has a TV and a dongle that you can plug in via either HDMI or USB C.
- lostmsu 4y agoAny thin client would do.
- scarface74 4y agoI’m going to have a “thin client” with my exact setup and my IDE, PowerPoint slides etc? Are you proposing that I work from a thin client? What happens when I’m working from home?
- lostmsu 4y agoIt's only for meeting rooms.
- scarface74 4y agoSo in a meeting, is this person who is presenting going to copy everything they need from their desktop? If it’s a group meeting will no one else have their computers with them?
- gryf 4y agoUnfortunately yes. I would rather a desktop but they don't know how to pay half as much for the same specification. The desks in the office are all equipped with docks and expensive WiFi mesh driven by COVID mentality so that is the status quo. Just send me a fucking workstation. Nope too hard.
- scarface74 4y agoWho wants to be in an office in 2022 unless necessary (specialized hardware, etc.)
- gryf 4y agoExactly that. I don't and I won't do it again.
- sbarre 4y agoOur company issues laptops yes, because everyone can choose to either work at home or in the office. That said, we also supply external monitors, keyboards and mice for anyone who wants one, and every worker has a discretionary budget to spend on home office accommodations (chair, standing desk, etc). I also suspect if a developer specifically asked for a desktop computer and could (lightly) justify the need for it, we would get them a desktop, and a laptop.