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Which rule following accounts on the left have been banned since musk bought the company? I only know of a couple accounts that were banned for very clearly vio

by toolz 4y ago

Which rule following accounts on the left have been banned since musk bought the company? I only know of a couple accounts that were banned for very clearly violating terms of service, i.e. impersonating other people. I personally don't agree with even those bans, but I am curious to know which rule followers were banned.

cyberphobe 4y ago
https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-anti-fascist-accounts-twitter-1761957 https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-... mentions a few, although there are far more.
- spamuel 4y ago
  You need to be more specific - he wasn't banning George Takei or Occupy Democrats. He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots. Something that was previously against Twitter's TOS, but it wasn't being enforced specifically against ANTIFA accounts because Twitter employees were sympathetic to the cause.
  - trs8080 4y ago
    Answered above, reproducing for you here: "As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "All four accounts had been singled out for criticism by Andy Ngo, a far-right writer whose conspiratorial, error-riddled reporting on left-wing protests and social movements fuels the mass delusion that a handful of small antifascist groups are part of an imaginary shadow army called “antifa.” In a public exchange on Twitter on Friday, Musk invited Ngo to report “Antifa accounts” that should be suspended directly to him." https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...
  - threeseed 4y ago
    > He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots Please provide evidence that accounts like Chad Loder were posting about imminent, direct actions to riot. I followed that account pretty closely for the last month and saw none of that. I would think about your comment because this is pretty defamatory.
    - chroma 4y ago
      Loder was suspended for ban evasion. He ran the masksfordoctors Twitter account, which was suspended last year for violating the covid misinformation policy. That said, Loder is not a particularly nice person. He loves to both encourage violence and do violence to anyone who doesn't share his politics.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] 1. https://archive.ph/Xznhv https://archive.ph/Xznhv 2. https://archive.ph/GrQIm https://archive.ph/GrQIm 3. https://archive.ph/bHmmT https://archive.ph/bHmmT 4. https://archive.ph/Bip8W https://archive.ph/Bip8W 5. https://archive.ph/2z4Dd https://archive.ph/2z4Dd (The photo is of Aaron Danielson, who was murdered by Michael Reinoehl, a member of antifa.) 6. https://archive.ph/P1ljs https://archive.ph/P1ljs 7. https://archive.ph/94vA9 https://archive.ph/94vA9
  - cyberphobe 4y ago
    Whatever you need to tell yourself to make your little delusion work. Obviously the banned accounts were not calling for any form of violence, otherwise the bans wouldn't have been news
    - spamuel 4y ago
      Other people seeing and understanding what is going on does not require your participation.
trs8080 4y ago
"As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "All four accounts had been singled out for criticism by Andy Ngo, a far-right writer whose conspiratorial, error-riddled reporting on left-wing protests and social movements fuels the mass delusion that a handful of small antifascist groups are part of an imaginary shadow army called “antifa.” In a public exchange on Twitter on Friday, Musk invited Ngo to report “Antifa accounts” that should be suspended directly to him." https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-ngo-antifascist/ https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...
- MarcoZavala 4y ago
- chasd00 4y ago
  > antifascist researcher doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with? Great, i'm glad he helped arrest a criminal but the ends don't always justify the means.
  - trs8080 4y ago
    > doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with ... no?
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    I mean, you can just make up stuff about people to justify whatever happens to them if you want.
- toolz 4y ago
  reading the article it seems Loder continued to tweet about some right wing extremist even after being court ordered to stop. I think this qualifies as "breaking the rules" even if I disagree with him being banned (based on the article, I don't care to research Loder in depth). It seems to me a reasonable course of action to ban people violating restraining orders on your website. I do suspect the restraining order is being misapplied here, but that maybe isn't twitters responsibility to determine? Not sure how I feel about that since twitter is aiming to be pro free-speech and this case specifically seems to be a free-speech issue. I could go either way, but I don't know enough about this Loder person, maybe he isn't high profile enough to warrant in-depth thought about his ban and otherwise would be unbanned in the name of free speech? I certainly would be more likely to think he would be unbanned if he was a right-wing activist, though, but I don't know that I've seen substantial evidence here that shows a banning bias as this particular ban could be entirely justified.

by toolz 4y ago

cyberphobe 4y ago

https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-anti-fascist-accounts-twitter-1761957 https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-... mentions a few, although there are far more.

spamuel 4y ago
You need to be more specific - he wasn't banning George Takei or Occupy Democrats. He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots. Something that was previously against Twitter's TOS, but it wasn't being enforced specifically against ANTIFA accounts because Twitter employees were sympathetic to the cause.
- trs8080 4y ago
  Answered above, reproducing for you here: "As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "All four accounts had been singled out for criticism by Andy Ngo, a far-right writer whose conspiratorial, error-riddled reporting on left-wing protests and social movements fuels the mass delusion that a handful of small antifascist groups are part of an imaginary shadow army called “antifa.” In a public exchange on Twitter on Friday, Musk invited Ngo to report “Antifa accounts” that should be suspended directly to him." https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...
- threeseed 4y ago
  > He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots Please provide evidence that accounts like Chad Loder were posting about imminent, direct actions to riot. I followed that account pretty closely for the last month and saw none of that. I would think about your comment because this is pretty defamatory.
  - chroma 4y ago
    Loder was suspended for ban evasion. He ran the masksfordoctors Twitter account, which was suspended last year for violating the covid misinformation policy. That said, Loder is not a particularly nice person. He loves to both encourage violence and do violence to anyone who doesn't share his politics.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] 1. https://archive.ph/Xznhv https://archive.ph/Xznhv 2. https://archive.ph/GrQIm https://archive.ph/GrQIm 3. https://archive.ph/bHmmT https://archive.ph/bHmmT 4. https://archive.ph/Bip8W https://archive.ph/Bip8W 5. https://archive.ph/2z4Dd https://archive.ph/2z4Dd (The photo is of Aaron Danielson, who was murdered by Michael Reinoehl, a member of antifa.) 6. https://archive.ph/P1ljs https://archive.ph/P1ljs 7. https://archive.ph/94vA9 https://archive.ph/94vA9
- cyberphobe 4y ago
  Whatever you need to tell yourself to make your little delusion work. Obviously the banned accounts were not calling for any form of violence, otherwise the bans wouldn't have been news
  - spamuel 4y ago
    Other people seeing and understanding what is going on does not require your participation.

trs8080 4y ago

"As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "All four accounts had been singled out for criticism by Andy Ngo, a far-right writer whose conspiratorial, error-riddled reporting on left-wing protests and social movements fuels the mass delusion that a handful of small antifascist groups are part of an imaginary shadow army called “antifa.” In a public exchange on Twitter on Friday, Musk invited Ngo to report “Antifa accounts” that should be suspended directly to him." https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-ngo-antifascist/ https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...

MarcoZavala 4y ago
chasd00 4y ago
> antifascist researcher doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with? Great, i'm glad he helped arrest a criminal but the ends don't always justify the means.
- trs8080 4y ago
  > doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with ... no?
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  I mean, you can just make up stuff about people to justify whatever happens to them if you want.
toolz 4y ago
reading the article it seems Loder continued to tweet about some right wing extremist even after being court ordered to stop. I think this qualifies as "breaking the rules" even if I disagree with him being banned (based on the article, I don't care to research Loder in depth). It seems to me a reasonable course of action to ban people violating restraining orders on your website. I do suspect the restraining order is being misapplied here, but that maybe isn't twitters responsibility to determine? Not sure how I feel about that since twitter is aiming to be pro free-speech and this case specifically seems to be a free-speech issue. I could go either way, but I don't know enough about this Loder person, maybe he isn't high profile enough to warrant in-depth thought about his ban and otherwise would be unbanned in the name of free speech? I certainly would be more likely to think he would be unbanned if he was a right-wing activist, though, but I don't know that I've seen substantial evidence here that shows a banning bias as this particular ban could be entirely justified.