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At this point it's a topic beaten to death, and it's edgy to say, but I really believe the suburb/highway model 95% of America is stuck with is the root of all

At this point it's a topic beaten to death, and it's edgy to say, but I really believe the suburb/highway model 95% of America is stuck with is the root of all evil. Whether people voluntarily seek it out or they're trapped in it. Every bad thing I can think of seems to stem from it in one way or another. Physical, mental, financial, environmental, and political health all considered.

screye 4y ago
> topic beaten to death, and it's edgy to say It's sad that that when a big enough part of a population reaches the obvious conclusion, it is considered edgy because the magnitude of the damage that was caused is so large, and is finally recognized as such. > suburb/highway model 95% of America is stuck with is the root of all evil There are very few mono-causal absolutes that I actually agree with and this is one of them.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>but I really believe the suburb/highway model 95% of America is stuck with is the root of all evil. I think you're mistaking "occasionally challenged" for edgy. People who believe what you believe are dominant on HN. You're basically just bemoaning that you're not so dominant that you never see criticism.
- frankus 4y ago
  One common objection I hear is that there's clearly a revealed preference for that kind of housing in North America, because it's still relatively in-demand. But by that standard there's also a revealed preference for airline food on airliners.
  - haroldp 4y ago
    Excellent analogy. And pretty much no one who advocates for allowing more flexible housing wants to forbid suburban single family detached homes. Buy that, if that's what you want. Just stop limiting everyone else to that.
    - bcrosby95 4y ago
      Some I've discussed this issue with eventually reveal that they like the status quo because it gives them more options for their preference, others' preferences be damned.
      - haroldp 4y ago
        Of course. The core idea behind zoning is limiting other's preferences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_of_Euclid_v._Ambler_Realty_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_of_Euclid_v._Ambler_Re....
colechristensen 4y ago
People want safety and space and cities didn’t provide that so those who could left.

screye 4y ago

> topic beaten to death, and it's edgy to say It's sad that that when a big enough part of a population reaches the obvious conclusion, it is considered edgy because the magnitude of the damage that was caused is so large, and is finally recognized as such. > suburb/highway model 95% of America is stuck with is the root of all evil There are very few mono-causal absolutes that I actually agree with and this is one of them.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

>but I really believe the suburb/highway model 95% of America is stuck with is the root of all evil. I think you're mistaking "occasionally challenged" for edgy. People who believe what you believe are dominant on HN. You're basically just bemoaning that you're not so dominant that you never see criticism.

frankus 4y ago
One common objection I hear is that there's clearly a revealed preference for that kind of housing in North America, because it's still relatively in-demand. But by that standard there's also a revealed preference for airline food on airliners.
- haroldp 4y ago
  Excellent analogy. And pretty much no one who advocates for allowing more flexible housing wants to forbid suburban single family detached homes. Buy that, if that's what you want. Just stop limiting everyone else to that.
  - bcrosby95 4y ago
    Some I've discussed this issue with eventually reveal that they like the status quo because it gives them more options for their preference, others' preferences be damned.
    - haroldp 4y ago
      Of course. The core idea behind zoning is limiting other's preferences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_of_Euclid_v._Ambler_Realty_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_of_Euclid_v._Ambler_Re....

colechristensen 4y ago

People want safety and space and cities didn’t provide that so those who could left.