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How is that different from Tesla essentially using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters for their autonomous driving (and other) software while disclaiming al

by janoc 4y ago

How is that different from Tesla essentially using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters for their autonomous driving (and other) software while disclaiming all responsibility when anything happens? This "learn by doing" is going to end up well ... not. Especially when trying to learn by repeating mistakes with completely foreseable consequences, like that blue "verified" badge being available for anyone who pays without any verification.

w0m 4y ago
> using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters Almost right. Charging Tesla owners to beta test their autonomous driving software.
- dexterdog 4y ago
  Almost fully right. Charging and risking Tesla subscribers to beta test their autonomous driving software.
  - lancesells 4y ago
    So close. Charging and risking Tesla subscribers along with everyone else on the road to beta test their autonomous driving software.
    - LanceJones 4y ago
      I'm one of those people. Running FSD Beta in my Model S Plaid in BC. And your negative connotation doesn't apply to me or many/most of the other beta testers with whom I'm regularly communicating.
- yreg 4y ago
  It's curious how many people are unhappy that someone choses to pay for an early-access product that's in beta.
  - trs8080 4y ago
    Most people are probably just amused. I'm more on the unhappy side because a vehicle can actually kill people when it crashes and Musk seems like more of a "move fast and break things" personality, which is not a great combination for safety.
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    Maybe because it's unsafe and misleading? The US Department of Justice has already started a criminal investigation [1]: > Oct 25 - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) is under criminal investigation in the United States over claims that the company's electric vehicles can drive themselves, three people familiar with the matter said. > The U.S. Department of Justice launched the previously undisclosed probe last year following more than a dozen crashes, some of them fatal, involving Tesla’s driver assistance system Autopilot, which was activated during the accidents, the people said. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/exclusive-tesla-faces-us-criminal-probe-over-self-driving-claims-sources-2022-10-26/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/exclusive-tesla-faces-us-crimi...
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  - bmitc 4y ago
    I'm unhappy about it because I have to share the road with Tesla's cars, and I'm also tired of people buying wholesale into hype. I personally stay away from Tesla's on the road for fear that they have the "self-driving" software engaged.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    He promised I would be able to earn income on my car driving around town all on its own while I was asleep at home by the end of 2016. Instead I have to pay him to have a computer drive full throttle into stationary objects - something that I am more than capable of doing on my own.

by janoc 4y ago

w0m 4y ago

> using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters Almost right. Charging Tesla owners to beta test their autonomous driving software.

dexterdog 4y ago
Almost fully right. Charging and risking Tesla subscribers to beta test their autonomous driving software.
- lancesells 4y ago
  So close. Charging and risking Tesla subscribers along with everyone else on the road to beta test their autonomous driving software.
  - LanceJones 4y ago
    I'm one of those people. Running FSD Beta in my Model S Plaid in BC. And your negative connotation doesn't apply to me or many/most of the other beta testers with whom I'm regularly communicating.
yreg 4y ago
It's curious how many people are unhappy that someone choses to pay for an early-access product that's in beta.
- trs8080 4y ago
  Most people are probably just amused. I'm more on the unhappy side because a vehicle can actually kill people when it crashes and Musk seems like more of a "move fast and break things" personality, which is not a great combination for safety.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  Maybe because it's unsafe and misleading? The US Department of Justice has already started a criminal investigation [1]: > Oct 25 - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) is under criminal investigation in the United States over claims that the company's electric vehicles can drive themselves, three people familiar with the matter said. > The U.S. Department of Justice launched the previously undisclosed probe last year following more than a dozen crashes, some of them fatal, involving Tesla’s driver assistance system Autopilot, which was activated during the accidents, the people said. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/exclusive-tesla-faces-us-criminal-probe-over-self-driving-claims-sources-2022-10-26/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/exclusive-tesla-faces-us-crimi...
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- bmitc 4y ago
  I'm unhappy about it because I have to share the road with Tesla's cars, and I'm also tired of people buying wholesale into hype. I personally stay away from Tesla's on the road for fear that they have the "self-driving" software engaged.
- blitzar 4y ago
  He promised I would be able to earn income on my car driving around town all on its own while I was asleep at home by the end of 2016. Instead I have to pay him to have a computer drive full throttle into stationary objects - something that I am more than capable of doing on my own.