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Then we should have licenses for bicyclists too! The reason we have licenses (aka controls on who can drive cars) is to curb dangerous and irresponsible drivin

Then we should have licenses for bicyclists too! The reason we have licenses (aka controls on who can drive cars) is to curb dangerous and irresponsible driving, mark drivers for driving egregiously, and remove people or not allow drivers on the road when they don't have the motor skills to navigate a vehicle on the road. Knowing the rules is secondary, if not tertiary. Otherwise bicyclists should also have licenses and license plates because rules apply to them as well.

piva00 4y ago
Rules apply to them but they aren't driving a 2-3 ton hunk of metal that's basically a murder machine. Their danger to other road users is much, much lower than from anything self-propelled just due to physics. Here in Sweden it doesn't matter how much right of way you have, if you are driving a car you're responsible for the safety of others in the road, even more if they're a pedestrian or cyclist. It's not excuse that a pedestrian was jaywalking or whatever bizarre law to limit access to the road for people you got in the US, you are ultimately responsible for the safety of other users. You're drilled and tested on that in your driving lessons and exams, you will fail your driving test if you fail to yield for a pedestrian at any moment, even if it was just briefly not pressing the brake pedal way before another road user is in danger. This is a false equivalence, yes, the road is shared and has rules but one user of the road is safely driving on tons of metal powered by hundreds of horsepower, the other is pedaling a bike. Degree and level matter. Don't hold such a black-and-white view of the world, it's reductionist and not very smart.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  The US has the same laws. Jaywalking is hard to prove. The bigger the vehicle, the more responsible it is, eg truck trailers are responsible even if the car crashes into them. Cars Always yield to pedestrians. Cars and Peds always yield to bikes. Bikes have to yield to no one unless they are driving on sidewalk. Then they should not be riding.
JTbane 4y ago
Bikes are not dangerous (unless you're talking about e-bikes with beefy frames and tires), if you get hit by a bike as a pedestrian you're probably only getting bruised. Cars are absolute murder machines.

piva00 4y ago

Rules apply to them but they aren't driving a 2-3 ton hunk of metal that's basically a murder machine. Their danger to other road users is much, much lower than from anything self-propelled just due to physics. Here in Sweden it doesn't matter how much right of way you have, if you are driving a car you're responsible for the safety of others in the road, even more if they're a pedestrian or cyclist. It's not excuse that a pedestrian was jaywalking or whatever bizarre law to limit access to the road for people you got in the US, you are ultimately responsible for the safety of other users. You're drilled and tested on that in your driving lessons and exams, you will fail your driving test if you fail to yield for a pedestrian at any moment, even if it was just briefly not pressing the brake pedal way before another road user is in danger. This is a false equivalence, yes, the road is shared and has rules but one user of the road is safely driving on tons of metal powered by hundreds of horsepower, the other is pedaling a bike. Degree and level matter. Don't hold such a black-and-white view of the world, it's reductionist and not very smart.

nashashmi 4y ago
The US has the same laws. Jaywalking is hard to prove. The bigger the vehicle, the more responsible it is, eg truck trailers are responsible even if the car crashes into them. Cars Always yield to pedestrians. Cars and Peds always yield to bikes. Bikes have to yield to no one unless they are driving on sidewalk. Then they should not be riding.

JTbane 4y ago

Bikes are not dangerous (unless you're talking about e-bikes with beefy frames and tires), if you get hit by a bike as a pedestrian you're probably only getting bruised. Cars are absolute murder machines.