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Pretty much this - he made some bad remarks around Epstein, and he's genuinely more stubborn than is reasonable in a lot of cases (compromising is required to b

Pretty much this - he made some bad remarks around Epstein, and he's genuinely more stubborn than is reasonable in a lot of cases (compromising is required to be effective in politics - and he won't compromise). Which is both admirable and batshit crazy. But I'm not interested in having "that discussion" again with regards to RMS, I'd rather just focus on the spots he got right, and it's hard to argue he was wrong about free software, and the user hostility of these systems (although I still disagree with some of his hardline stances there, but it's more about quibbling with the details then a hard disagreement).

KennyBlanken 4y ago
> But I'm not interested in having "that discussion" again with regards to RMS Fascinating how nobody wants to talk about all of RMS's numerous problems, but only after they've declared that he's a poor victim of cancel/woke culture. If you don't want to "have that discussion again"....why did you comment in the first place? This is like hearing a topic mentioned in a room you're walking past, running in, stating a position, and then running out of the room with your fingers in your ears, shouting "LALALALALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU"
- horsawlarway 4y ago
  Because this discussion isn't fucking about those topics. I'm not here to defend him at all on that front. I'm here to say that he has things that are correct to say about other fucking subjects. Read the fucking room. No one is an angel - no one is a demon. Which one is RMS? Don't really fucking care for the context of this conversation. This conversation is about how I happen to think his opinion about free software is - if not correct - at least way more prescient than many others. Does that imply I have some opinion about his "victim of cancel/woke culture" bullshit? You have no fucking clue. Because I'm not talking about woke culture right now, I'm talking about software.
  - imchillyb 4y ago
    > My sentiments entirely. I think he's batshit crazy in a lot of ways... - horsawlarway > If you don't want to "have that discussion again"....why did you comment in the first place? - KennyBlanken > Because this discussion isn't fucking about those topics. I'm not here to defend him at all on that front. I'm here to say that he has things that are correct to say about other fucking subjects. Read the fucking room. -horsawlarway ___ @horsawlarway... If you don't want to discuss it, don't fucking make shitty comments about another human being. Then you won't be called out on your shitty statements about another human being. You don't want to discuss this, because your position is undefendable; you have none. You shouldn't disparage people. It's not nice asshole.
  - samizdis 4y ago
    As a reminder that without context discussion is null, I found your patient-if-exasperated explanation to be sublime. Thanks for that.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

> But I'm not interested in having "that discussion" again with regards to RMS Fascinating how nobody wants to talk about all of RMS's numerous problems, but only after they've declared that he's a poor victim of cancel/woke culture. If you don't want to "have that discussion again"....why did you comment in the first place? This is like hearing a topic mentioned in a room you're walking past, running in, stating a position, and then running out of the room with your fingers in your ears, shouting "LALALALALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU"

horsawlarway 4y ago
Because this discussion isn't fucking about those topics. I'm not here to defend him at all on that front. I'm here to say that he has things that are correct to say about other fucking subjects. Read the fucking room. No one is an angel - no one is a demon. Which one is RMS? Don't really fucking care for the context of this conversation. This conversation is about how I happen to think his opinion about free software is - if not correct - at least way more prescient than many others. Does that imply I have some opinion about his "victim of cancel/woke culture" bullshit? You have no fucking clue. Because I'm not talking about woke culture right now, I'm talking about software.
- imchillyb 4y ago
  > My sentiments entirely. I think he's batshit crazy in a lot of ways... - horsawlarway > If you don't want to "have that discussion again"....why did you comment in the first place? - KennyBlanken > Because this discussion isn't fucking about those topics. I'm not here to defend him at all on that front. I'm here to say that he has things that are correct to say about other fucking subjects. Read the fucking room. -horsawlarway ___ @horsawlarway... If you don't want to discuss it, don't fucking make shitty comments about another human being. Then you won't be called out on your shitty statements about another human being. You don't want to discuss this, because your position is undefendable; you have none. You shouldn't disparage people. It's not nice asshole.
- samizdis 4y ago
  As a reminder that without context discussion is null, I found your patient-if-exasperated explanation to be sublime. Thanks for that.