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Apple often says no to the US Government, something Huawei cannot do by law. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/apple-refuses-barr-request-to-unlock-pensacola-sho

Apple often says no to the US Government, something Huawei cannot do by law. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/apple-refuses-barr-request-to-unlock-pensacola-shooters-iphones.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/apple-refuses-barr-request-t...

smoldesu 4y ago
And the US government can say "no" right back to Apple since iPhone-unlocking tools are/have been readily available and purchased in droves by American law-enforcement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayshift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayshift
- 99hexagons 4y ago
  Big difference.
- fortuna86 4y ago
  What does that have to do with my statement ?
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    It illustrates that your consent is worthless where protecting personal privacy is concerned.
    - fortuna86 4y ago
      What does my consent have to do with anything? The difference between commanding private industry to do something and hacking them yourself is the difference between free and unfree societies. Why you are trying to blur the line I don't know.
ashwagary 4y ago
Apple can try to say no because the US government asks them to do illegal things that violate the US constitution. That's not the case in China.
- fortuna86 4y ago
  So yours is a pure defense of Huawei, because they country the operate in has no civil liberty protections, they aren't at fault for helping authoritarians build a surveillance state and spy on others? I mean, I guess so. That doesn't mean Huawei isn't harming the safety and security of millions while Apple is just your standard monopolist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surveillance-china/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surve...
heavyset_go 4y ago
Can't be that often considering Apple says yes to the government tens of thousands a time a year[1]. That includes dragnet surveillance from the federal government, where "0 to 499" FISA data requests yielded data from over 32,000 different accounts over just a 6 month long period. [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html

smoldesu 4y ago

And the US government can say "no" right back to Apple since iPhone-unlocking tools are/have been readily available and purchased in droves by American law-enforcement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayshift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayshift

99hexagons 4y ago
Big difference.
fortuna86 4y ago
What does that have to do with my statement ?
- smoldesu 4y ago
  It illustrates that your consent is worthless where protecting personal privacy is concerned.
  - fortuna86 4y ago
    What does my consent have to do with anything? The difference between commanding private industry to do something and hacking them yourself is the difference between free and unfree societies. Why you are trying to blur the line I don't know.

ashwagary 4y ago

Apple can try to say no because the US government asks them to do illegal things that violate the US constitution. That's not the case in China.

fortuna86 4y ago
So yours is a pure defense of Huawei, because they country the operate in has no civil liberty protections, they aren't at fault for helping authoritarians build a surveillance state and spy on others? I mean, I guess so. That doesn't mean Huawei isn't harming the safety and security of millions while Apple is just your standard monopolist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surveillance-china/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surve...

heavyset_go 4y ago

Can't be that often considering Apple says yes to the government tens of thousands a time a year[1]. That includes dragnet surveillance from the federal government, where "0 to 499" FISA data requests yielded data from over 32,000 different accounts over just a 6 month long period. [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html