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Looks like they have 60 days to find a new job... I thought the grace period was shorter when I commented, but still that's not much time compared to other coun

by welder 4y ago

Looks like they have 60 days to find a new job... I thought the grace period was shorter when I commented, but still that's not much time compared to other countries I've lived in. I'm from the USA. I think the way the US treats skilled workers is stupid. We want smart skilled people to immigrate, not make it hard on them. Can you imagine living with the threat of being kicked out lingering over you? I would never feel secure or set down real roots in a country that might kick me out in 60 days. Edit: Depending on the type of visa you're kicked out of the country much sooner than 60 days.

midoridensha 4y ago
>I think the way the US treats skilled workers is stupid. It is stupid, but it's apparently how Americans want it. >We want smart skilled people to immigrate, not make it hard on them. No, you want that. American voters don't seem to agree with you, or at least, not enough of them to make a change. Meanwhile, in other countries, smart skilled people have a relatively easy time immigrating. I'm in Japan and it couldn't get much easier for skilled professionals than this. >Can you imagine living with the threat of being kicked out lingering over you? I would never feel secure or set down real roots in a country that might kick me out in 60 days. Yeah, me neither. I'm not sure why people want to torture themselves by going to such a country. There are other places looking for skilled professionals, and that make the immigration process pretty painless and easy. People need to get over this mythical idea of the US being some great welcoming haven for immigrants; it really isn't these days.
- woooooo 4y ago
  You may be assuming more connection between voters and policy than actually happens in practice.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Did you totally miss the Trump election? "Build the wall!"? The American voters (well, almost half of them) spoke loud and clear about their sentiments on immigration. If tech companies were in charge, the borders would be mostly open, especially (or perhaps only) for skilled professionals. Obviously, this isn't the case, so the corporate lobbyists are not the ones responsible for America's anti-skilled-immigrant policy, the American voters are. It doesn't get "fixed" because it's politically unpopular to do so.
    - woooooo 4y ago
      "Build the wall" wasn't about high-skilled visa-having and tax-paying tech workers. Separate issue. Nobody's really campaigned on "the H1B system should be a byzantine nightmare" but somehow that's what we got.
      - midoridensha 4y ago
        >"Build the wall" wasn't about high-skilled visa-having and tax-paying tech workers. Separate issue. Wrong. The issue is immigration, period. Trump's voters are too stupid to tell the difference between high- and low-skilled immigrants. They're nativists: they want only "real Americans" (i.e., white Christians) in America, and not more people who don't fit that mold. >Nobody's really campaigned on "the H1B system should be a byzantine nightmare" but somehow that's what we got. You got that because the system, just like any long-running software system that gets hacks upon hacks and never gets a proper refactor, turns into a jumbled mess over time. The system was never fixed because there is no political will to do so. Other countries have leaders that aren't always fighting with each other over every single thing, and decided together that they want more high-skilled immigrants to help their economies because they recognize the value such immigrants bring (they can look at America's 20th century history to see this, after all: look how many tech companies were started by immigrants, for instance), so they cleaned up their immigration policies to achieve this goal. That's how it is here in Japan: immigrating as a skilled worker is extremely easy. It wasn't like this 20 years ago at all. Since the leaders wanted it, and the people weren't opposed in any great way, it got done. America can't do that: the leaders are too divided, and the voters will punish anyone who tries. The Dems can try it, but the Reps will oppose it. Any Reps who don't will be voted out by the MAGAts. This is why things are the way they are in America.
        woooooo 4y ago
        Your second rant was what I was talking about, minus the partisanship.

by welder 4y ago

midoridensha 4y ago

>I think the way the US treats skilled workers is stupid. It is stupid, but it's apparently how Americans want it. >We want smart skilled people to immigrate, not make it hard on them. No, you want that. American voters don't seem to agree with you, or at least, not enough of them to make a change. Meanwhile, in other countries, smart skilled people have a relatively easy time immigrating. I'm in Japan and it couldn't get much easier for skilled professionals than this. >Can you imagine living with the threat of being kicked out lingering over you? I would never feel secure or set down real roots in a country that might kick me out in 60 days. Yeah, me neither. I'm not sure why people want to torture themselves by going to such a country. There are other places looking for skilled professionals, and that make the immigration process pretty painless and easy. People need to get over this mythical idea of the US being some great welcoming haven for immigrants; it really isn't these days.

woooooo 4y ago
You may be assuming more connection between voters and policy than actually happens in practice.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Did you totally miss the Trump election? "Build the wall!"? The American voters (well, almost half of them) spoke loud and clear about their sentiments on immigration. If tech companies were in charge, the borders would be mostly open, especially (or perhaps only) for skilled professionals. Obviously, this isn't the case, so the corporate lobbyists are not the ones responsible for America's anti-skilled-immigrant policy, the American voters are. It doesn't get "fixed" because it's politically unpopular to do so.
  - woooooo 4y ago
    "Build the wall" wasn't about high-skilled visa-having and tax-paying tech workers. Separate issue. Nobody's really campaigned on "the H1B system should be a byzantine nightmare" but somehow that's what we got.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      >"Build the wall" wasn't about high-skilled visa-having and tax-paying tech workers. Separate issue. Wrong. The issue is immigration, period. Trump's voters are too stupid to tell the difference between high- and low-skilled immigrants. They're nativists: they want only "real Americans" (i.e., white Christians) in America, and not more people who don't fit that mold. >Nobody's really campaigned on "the H1B system should be a byzantine nightmare" but somehow that's what we got. You got that because the system, just like any long-running software system that gets hacks upon hacks and never gets a proper refactor, turns into a jumbled mess over time. The system was never fixed because there is no political will to do so. Other countries have leaders that aren't always fighting with each other over every single thing, and decided together that they want more high-skilled immigrants to help their economies because they recognize the value such immigrants bring (they can look at America's 20th century history to see this, after all: look how many tech companies were started by immigrants, for instance), so they cleaned up their immigration policies to achieve this goal. That's how it is here in Japan: immigrating as a skilled worker is extremely easy. It wasn't like this 20 years ago at all. Since the leaders wanted it, and the people weren't opposed in any great way, it got done. America can't do that: the leaders are too divided, and the voters will punish anyone who tries. The Dems can try it, but the Reps will oppose it. Any Reps who don't will be voted out by the MAGAts. This is why things are the way they are in America.
      - woooooo 4y ago
        Your second rant was what I was talking about, minus the partisanship.