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>The surveillance is already there, but it is not acted on for the most part in everyday life. But there may be a clock on how long that will last. Yes it is.

>The surveillance is already there, but it is not acted on for the most part in everyday life. But there may be a clock on how long that will last. Yes it is. Think advertising, marketing, and product placement. It's so pervasive you can't even see it.

alsetmusic 4y ago
>> The surveillance is already there, but it is not acted on for the most part in everyday life. But there may be a clock on how long that will last. > Yes it is. Think advertising, marketing, and product placement. It's so pervasive you can't even see it. But that's not the state. That'd be much more frightening.
- TreeRingCounter 4y ago
  The majority of large institutions are effectively captured by the state, and to a large extent the converse is true as well. Despotic actions (censorship, surveillance, etc) performed on behalf of the state by megacorps cannot be meaningfully distinguished by despotic actions performed by the state itself under the current legal regime.
- soco 4y ago
  A state has at least some illusion of citizen control, while a private company much less. Yes the state _could_ regulate it, but that's already working over chinese whispers (no pun intended)
- always2slow 4y ago
  Yes it is? I mean, I consider the military part of "the state" and the various branches participate in advertising, marketing, and product placement. Just look at this: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-marketing-esports-comiccon-momfluencers-2019-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-marketing-esports-co... "After Congress withheld half of its ad budget due to an audit that revealed millions in spending that didn't deliver results, the Army dissolved its marketing division, relocated to Chicago, and revamped its approaches to data and events. Officials told Business Insider they planned to emphasize conferences like Comic-Con and esports festival Pax, saying gamers and programmers "make good soldiers."" Whoops, got a little too exposed during the audit time to reset the paper trail.
  - dirheist 4y ago
    Yep, The United States Military has been working with Hollywood and video game producers to produce propaganda for 3 decades now. https://mronline.org/2022/08/06/how-the-pentagon-dictates-hollywood-storylines/ https://mronline.org/2022/08/06/how-the-pentagon-dictates-ho...
    - tailspin2019 4y ago
      Wow, that link was a fascinating read
donatj 4y ago
Advertisers, marketers, and product placers for the most part aren't armed with the tools nor legal authority to implement capital punishment.

alsetmusic 4y ago

>> The surveillance is already there, but it is not acted on for the most part in everyday life. But there may be a clock on how long that will last. > Yes it is. Think advertising, marketing, and product placement. It's so pervasive you can't even see it. But that's not the state. That'd be much more frightening.

TreeRingCounter 4y ago
The majority of large institutions are effectively captured by the state, and to a large extent the converse is true as well. Despotic actions (censorship, surveillance, etc) performed on behalf of the state by megacorps cannot be meaningfully distinguished by despotic actions performed by the state itself under the current legal regime.
soco 4y ago
A state has at least some illusion of citizen control, while a private company much less. Yes the state _could_ regulate it, but that's already working over chinese whispers (no pun intended)
always2slow 4y ago
Yes it is? I mean, I consider the military part of "the state" and the various branches participate in advertising, marketing, and product placement. Just look at this: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-marketing-esports-comiccon-momfluencers-2019-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-marketing-esports-co... "After Congress withheld half of its ad budget due to an audit that revealed millions in spending that didn't deliver results, the Army dissolved its marketing division, relocated to Chicago, and revamped its approaches to data and events. Officials told Business Insider they planned to emphasize conferences like Comic-Con and esports festival Pax, saying gamers and programmers "make good soldiers."" Whoops, got a little too exposed during the audit time to reset the paper trail.
- dirheist 4y ago
  Yep, The United States Military has been working with Hollywood and video game producers to produce propaganda for 3 decades now. https://mronline.org/2022/08/06/how-the-pentagon-dictates-hollywood-storylines/ https://mronline.org/2022/08/06/how-the-pentagon-dictates-ho...
  - tailspin2019 4y ago
    Wow, that link was a fascinating read

donatj 4y ago

Advertisers, marketers, and product placers for the most part aren't armed with the tools nor legal authority to implement capital punishment.