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Not surprising. Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places. The results, unfortunately, seem secondary to the culture. Their call, their money - pay a

Not surprising. Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places. The results, unfortunately, seem secondary to the culture. Their call, their money - pay attention during interviews and how the companies perform. The sad thing is that everybody on the south side of this problem will cross over 30/35/40 and wonder what hit them.

d23 4y ago
> At SpaceX and now at Twitter, Musk requires employees to be “hardcore.” Contrary to stereotypes about older workers being less capable or unwilling to perform hard work, I was actually up for the challenge. My life has been spent working long days, nights, and weekends, putting in whatever effort was required to get the job done. My wife resided in Northern California while I was based in Los Angeles; with no children at home and very little social life, I often spent seven days a week onsite at SpaceX, putting in 10-12 hours almost daily. I knew no one there who worked more hours than I did. Later, during Covid, I was still working onsite and traveling for business while many other engineers worked remotely. I was quite hardcore. Please read the article before commenting.
- jleyank 4y ago
  If you refer to parent comment, I did read the article and saw what looked to me like ageism in practice. The quote you mention showed a willingness to sign up, yet it didn't ensure survival. What did I miss?
  - d23 4y ago
    You said: > Not surprising. Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places. This seemed to imply he was "turning off" after work or working a standard 40 hours instead of putting in extra hours.
    - jleyank 4y ago
      No, I was just including more people in the dead pile. Older folks, much of the time, have a wider range of interests that keep them from working...
Arrath 4y ago
> Not surprising. Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places. What does surprise me though is that this fellow seems to be the exemplar of a company lifer, to quote TFA: "My wife resided in Northern California while I was based in Los Angeles; with no children at home and very little social life, I often spent seven days a week onsite at SpaceX, putting in 10-12 hours almost daily. I knew no one there who worked more hours than I did. Later, during Covid, I was still working onsite and traveling for business while many other engineers worked remotely. I was quite hardcore." Up until one injury and a short absence for surgery and recovery. And boy howdy did things change after that.
- jleyank 4y ago
  I would imaging "committing parenthood" would be a similar problem/result.
danpalmer 4y ago
> Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places I'd go further, the author basically points out that he doesn't really have a life beyond work, or is dedicated to the level they're expecting. The problem here is that Musk companies are churning employees who don't fit the "frat bro" culture that Musk likes. Telsa is like this, SpaceX is going that way, Twitter is clearly doing the same. What's really sad is that the culture they're creating is about that self-identifying alpha male hierarchy – and Musk likes it because he's at the top. Diverse hiring in terms of age, gender, orientation, etc, is the best way to combat this.

d23 4y ago

> At SpaceX and now at Twitter, Musk requires employees to be “hardcore.” Contrary to stereotypes about older workers being less capable or unwilling to perform hard work, I was actually up for the challenge. My life has been spent working long days, nights, and weekends, putting in whatever effort was required to get the job done. My wife resided in Northern California while I was based in Los Angeles; with no children at home and very little social life, I often spent seven days a week onsite at SpaceX, putting in 10-12 hours almost daily. I knew no one there who worked more hours than I did. Later, during Covid, I was still working onsite and traveling for business while many other engineers worked remotely. I was quite hardcore. Please read the article before commenting.

jleyank 4y ago
If you refer to parent comment, I did read the article and saw what looked to me like ageism in practice. The quote you mention showed a willingness to sign up, yet it didn't ensure survival. What did I miss?
- d23 4y ago
  You said: > Not surprising. Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places. This seemed to imply he was "turning off" after work or working a standard 40 hours instead of putting in extra hours.
  - jleyank 4y ago
    No, I was just including more people in the dead pile. Older folks, much of the time, have a wider range of interests that keep them from working...

Arrath 4y ago

> Not surprising. Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places. What does surprise me though is that this fellow seems to be the exemplar of a company lifer, to quote TFA: "My wife resided in Northern California while I was based in Los Angeles; with no children at home and very little social life, I often spent seven days a week onsite at SpaceX, putting in 10-12 hours almost daily. I knew no one there who worked more hours than I did. Later, during Covid, I was still working onsite and traveling for business while many other engineers worked remotely. I was quite hardcore." Up until one injury and a short absence for surgery and recovery. And boy howdy did things change after that.

jleyank 4y ago
I would imaging "committing parenthood" would be a similar problem/result.

danpalmer 4y ago

> Anybody with a life isn't desired by these places I'd go further, the author basically points out that he doesn't really have a life beyond work, or is dedicated to the level they're expecting. The problem here is that Musk companies are churning employees who don't fit the "frat bro" culture that Musk likes. Telsa is like this, SpaceX is going that way, Twitter is clearly doing the same. What's really sad is that the culture they're creating is about that self-identifying alpha male hierarchy – and Musk likes it because he's at the top. Diverse hiring in terms of age, gender, orientation, etc, is the best way to combat this.