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why is that exactly, there is some weird purification/concentration of social things that only happen at school. Is it the spike of age cohorts (+/-6mo) all thr

why is that exactly, there is some weird purification/concentration of social things that only happen at school. Is it the spike of age cohorts (+/-6mo) all thrown together without any regulating factors that would occur with older wiser children (say +6 years) being able to correct the misbehaving individuals? Is it a factor of the sheer outnumbering encountered from high student to adult ratios? Is bullying less likely to occur when the adult count increases?

themitigating 4y ago
If an adult attacks someone they can go to jail or at the minimum are arrested for assault. In school the consequences are much less serious
- skorpeon87 4y ago
  That's nothing to do with school though, just youth. Kids who get into fights in the summer months away from school aren't sent to jail for it like adults. Being at or away from a school isn't a factor in that difference.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Children are forced to be around children in school. Outside they can avoid bullies most of the time.
    - jxramos 4y ago
      You’re right there’s sort of less freedom of escape in this environment. It’s like captive prey pretty much. Good insight.
    - skorpeon87 4y ago
      Children don't decide what neighborhood they live in.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
In the US, probably a combination of reduced birthrates means there is less density of children, in conjunction with real estate development that requires cars to travel point to point, effectively filtering out situations where children get together without adults.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Teachers/admin can't long-term isolate the shitheads unless they go really far—notably, it's very hard to be kicked out for bullying that's short of repeated cases of extreme outright violence. A teacher and even school admin can't "fire" a chronically disruptive and/or bullying student. Other students can't vote with their feet and flee the classes with the worst bullies. They're stuck and no-one has the power to fix the situation. That's why it's so bad. One employee starts pulling dumb shit and several employees report it to the manager, good chance that employee's not going to be able to keep it up much longer or they'll be gone. Yes, abuse happens at workplaces, but school-type bullying doesn't have the same kind of cover it does in a school. Several students report a bully, that bully will still be there next week. And next quarter. And maybe in their class next year. Still being a bully. Selection bias during admissions gets talked about a lot when it comes to private schools, but they also have the superpower of being able to tell a kid who won't shape up to GTFO permanently. One family's tuition isn't worth risking several other students leaving. This can and does happen, and it doesn't solve all the problems, but it means the worst of the worst don't stick around like they do at public schools, poisoning the whole school atmosphere.

themitigating 4y ago

If an adult attacks someone they can go to jail or at the minimum are arrested for assault. In school the consequences are much less serious

skorpeon87 4y ago
That's nothing to do with school though, just youth. Kids who get into fights in the summer months away from school aren't sent to jail for it like adults. Being at or away from a school isn't a factor in that difference.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Children are forced to be around children in school. Outside they can avoid bullies most of the time.
  - jxramos 4y ago
    You’re right there’s sort of less freedom of escape in this environment. It’s like captive prey pretty much. Good insight.
  - skorpeon87 4y ago
    Children don't decide what neighborhood they live in.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

In the US, probably a combination of reduced birthrates means there is less density of children, in conjunction with real estate development that requires cars to travel point to point, effectively filtering out situations where children get together without adults.

yamtaddle 4y ago

Teachers/admin can't long-term isolate the shitheads unless they go really far—notably, it's very hard to be kicked out for bullying that's short of repeated cases of extreme outright violence. A teacher and even school admin can't "fire" a chronically disruptive and/or bullying student. Other students can't vote with their feet and flee the classes with the worst bullies. They're stuck and no-one has the power to fix the situation. That's why it's so bad. One employee starts pulling dumb shit and several employees report it to the manager, good chance that employee's not going to be able to keep it up much longer or they'll be gone. Yes, abuse happens at workplaces, but school-type bullying doesn't have the same kind of cover it does in a school. Several students report a bully, that bully will still be there next week. And next quarter. And maybe in their class next year. Still being a bully. Selection bias during admissions gets talked about a lot when it comes to private schools, but they also have the superpower of being able to tell a kid who won't shape up to GTFO permanently. One family's tuition isn't worth risking several other students leaving. This can and does happen, and it doesn't solve all the problems, but it means the worst of the worst don't stick around like they do at public schools, poisoning the whole school atmosphere.