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> If PRs and issues truly will be ignored, then that really needs to be explicitly stated. No it doesnt. No one owes anything to you > Because otherwise, why

by tekla 4y ago

> If PRs and issues truly will be ignored, then that really needs to be explicitly stated. No it doesnt. No one owes anything to you > Because otherwise, why even open source or release it? Because they can.

bmitc 4y ago
Society generally disagrees that unclear or unresponsive communication is welcomed. If someone speaks to me, I believe giving and them expecting a respectful response is not entitlement on their part. > Because they can. That's not really an answer to basically any question. Yes, a person can do anything, but actions also have consequences. Also, frustration is a legitimate emotion for anyone. It's okay for someone to be frustrated and admit so in a respectful manner. Being frustrated does not make one an evil or entitled person by default. Lastly, there are different approaches and perspectives, which is also fine. For open source development, there is no one true approach that everyone is going to agree with. But I do think clear communication will reduce a lot of friction no matter the approach. I once came across a project where the maintainer clearly stated that they will never adjust the license. Is it frustrating? Yes. Do I disagree? Yes. But it's their choice, and they clearly stated it. So I grunt to myself and move on.
- bsder 4y ago
  > Society generally disagrees that unclear or unresponsive communication is welcomed. If someone speaks to me, I believe giving and them expecting a respectful response is not entitlement on their part. That only works because meatspace limits the number of people who can impinge on your time. That's not true for Github. Any maintainer is heavily outnumbered by the number of people who can file issues against their project. I blame the fact that we centralized bug reporting. Back when everybody had to create an account on a different Bugzilla, there was enough friction that you had to want to file that bug report very badly--especially if there was a 24 hour waiting period to sign up. That kept the ratio under control so the maintainers weren't too outnumbered. (Side note: I suspect there is also some level of "Filing bug reports on Github is a corporate metric" somewhere also creating extra static.)

by tekla 4y ago

bmitc 4y ago

Society generally disagrees that unclear or unresponsive communication is welcomed. If someone speaks to me, I believe giving and them expecting a respectful response is not entitlement on their part. > Because they can. That's not really an answer to basically any question. Yes, a person can do anything, but actions also have consequences. Also, frustration is a legitimate emotion for anyone. It's okay for someone to be frustrated and admit so in a respectful manner. Being frustrated does not make one an evil or entitled person by default. Lastly, there are different approaches and perspectives, which is also fine. For open source development, there is no one true approach that everyone is going to agree with. But I do think clear communication will reduce a lot of friction no matter the approach. I once came across a project where the maintainer clearly stated that they will never adjust the license. Is it frustrating? Yes. Do I disagree? Yes. But it's their choice, and they clearly stated it. So I grunt to myself and move on.

bsder 4y ago
> Society generally disagrees that unclear or unresponsive communication is welcomed. If someone speaks to me, I believe giving and them expecting a respectful response is not entitlement on their part. That only works because meatspace limits the number of people who can impinge on your time. That's not true for Github. Any maintainer is heavily outnumbered by the number of people who can file issues against their project. I blame the fact that we centralized bug reporting. Back when everybody had to create an account on a different Bugzilla, there was enough friction that you had to want to file that bug report very badly--especially if there was a 24 hour waiting period to sign up. That kept the ratio under control so the maintainers weren't too outnumbered. (Side note: I suspect there is also some level of "Filing bug reports on Github is a corporate metric" somewhere also creating extra static.)