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"School is the only place where modern humans will experience violence".

by oifjsidjf 4y ago

badcppdev 4y ago
But they will witness violence all the time through media of different types. Which affects you in a different way.
SapporoChris 4y ago
A number of military personal might beg to differ with you. But I'm willing to hear justification for your comment.
- deleted 4y ago
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- pegasus 4y ago
  Only in the military? Wouldn't it be easier to steelman the argument by inserting the missing "most"?
  - SapporoChris 4y ago
    Certainly not only the military. I was countering an absolute statement, I don't need to list all exceptions to prove the statement wrong. I only need to list one.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  Is that some manipulative jingoistic pro-military shaming? A boxer obviously will see violence, so will a pigskin football player. Those are things they signed up for and the violence is part of the voluntary activity. A soldier (or policeman) signs up to be in war, either an active one or one that might happen. A high school student, a cube worker, a barista, a fireman, they do not sign up for violence. The difference is that children have no choice but to go to school. They are sent to the slaughter.
jxramos 4y ago
why is that exactly, there is some weird purification/concentration of social things that only happen at school. Is it the spike of age cohorts (+/-6mo) all thrown together without any regulating factors that would occur with older wiser children (say +6 years) being able to correct the misbehaving individuals? Is it a factor of the sheer outnumbering encountered from high student to adult ratios? Is bullying less likely to occur when the adult count increases?
- themitigating 4y ago
  If an adult attacks someone they can go to jail or at the minimum are arrested for assault. In school the consequences are much less serious
  - skorpeon87 4y ago
    That's nothing to do with school though, just youth. Kids who get into fights in the summer months away from school aren't sent to jail for it like adults. Being at or away from a school isn't a factor in that difference.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      Children are forced to be around children in school. Outside they can avoid bullies most of the time.
      - jxramos 4y ago
        You’re right there’s sort of less freedom of escape in this environment. It’s like captive prey pretty much. Good insight.
      - skorpeon87 4y ago
        Children don't decide what neighborhood they live in.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
skorpeon87 4y ago
Nah, that doesn't ring true to me. I got into plenty of scraps during the summer when I was a kid. Nothing that rose to the asymmetry I would describe as bullying, but certainly it was violence. And besides the overt fights, many of the games we played were essentially organized fights. Maybe things are different now, with kids spending too much time indoors playing video games instead of running around in the woods. But I think violence is generally an outcome from boys being together and relatively unsupervised. The insidious part about violence in schools is the double-jeopardy you face from administration; first you get your ass kicked by the bully, then you get your ass kicked again by the bureaucracy putting you through the wringer.
BetaDeltaAlpha 4y ago
FYI: The full quote is "Public Schools are prisions for children, and are one of the only places where many people will experience physical violence."
- neonate 4y ago
  Interesting. https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1129603377401401345 https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1129603377401401345
  - ninkendo 4y ago
    “So the solution is to siphon even more money into charter schools, so that the public schools are left to rot even more due to lack of resources, and ensure the only children left in public schools will be the most desperate and poor among us. Their bullying problems will be 100 times worse, but it won’t be your problem. Let them rot.” May as well be the rest of the quote. At this point you may as well just advocate for executing the poor.

"School is the only place where modern humans will experience violence".

badcppdev 4y ago

But they will witness violence all the time through media of different types. Which affects you in a different way.

SapporoChris 4y ago

A number of military personal might beg to differ with you. But I'm willing to hear justification for your comment.

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pegasus 4y ago
Only in the military? Wouldn't it be easier to steelman the argument by inserting the missing "most"?
- SapporoChris 4y ago
  Certainly not only the military. I was countering an absolute statement, I don't need to list all exceptions to prove the statement wrong. I only need to list one.
AtlasBarfed 4y ago
Is that some manipulative jingoistic pro-military shaming? A boxer obviously will see violence, so will a pigskin football player. Those are things they signed up for and the violence is part of the voluntary activity. A soldier (or policeman) signs up to be in war, either an active one or one that might happen. A high school student, a cube worker, a barista, a fireman, they do not sign up for violence. The difference is that children have no choice but to go to school. They are sent to the slaughter.

jxramos 4y ago

why is that exactly, there is some weird purification/concentration of social things that only happen at school. Is it the spike of age cohorts (+/-6mo) all thrown together without any regulating factors that would occur with older wiser children (say +6 years) being able to correct the misbehaving individuals? Is it a factor of the sheer outnumbering encountered from high student to adult ratios? Is bullying less likely to occur when the adult count increases?

themitigating 4y ago
If an adult attacks someone they can go to jail or at the minimum are arrested for assault. In school the consequences are much less serious
- skorpeon87 4y ago
  That's nothing to do with school though, just youth. Kids who get into fights in the summer months away from school aren't sent to jail for it like adults. Being at or away from a school isn't a factor in that difference.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Children are forced to be around children in school. Outside they can avoid bullies most of the time.
    - jxramos 4y ago
      You’re right there’s sort of less freedom of escape in this environment. It’s like captive prey pretty much. Good insight.
    - skorpeon87 4y ago
      Children don't decide what neighborhood they live in.
lotsofpulp 4y ago

skorpeon87 4y ago

Nah, that doesn't ring true to me. I got into plenty of scraps during the summer when I was a kid. Nothing that rose to the asymmetry I would describe as bullying, but certainly it was violence. And besides the overt fights, many of the games we played were essentially organized fights. Maybe things are different now, with kids spending too much time indoors playing video games instead of running around in the woods. But I think violence is generally an outcome from boys being together and relatively unsupervised. The insidious part about violence in schools is the double-jeopardy you face from administration; first you get your ass kicked by the bully, then you get your ass kicked again by the bureaucracy putting you through the wringer.

BetaDeltaAlpha 4y ago

FYI: The full quote is "Public Schools are prisions for children, and are one of the only places where many people will experience physical violence."

neonate 4y ago
Interesting. https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1129603377401401345 https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1129603377401401345
- ninkendo 4y ago
  “So the solution is to siphon even more money into charter schools, so that the public schools are left to rot even more due to lack of resources, and ensure the only children left in public schools will be the most desperate and poor among us. Their bullying problems will be 100 times worse, but it won’t be your problem. Let them rot.” May as well be the rest of the quote. At this point you may as well just advocate for executing the poor.