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It's not the physical space so much as the time. If you calculate _all in_ times for commuting (getting ready, travel, gas, wait, walk to/from transportation) m

It's not the physical space so much as the time. If you calculate _all in_ times for commuting (getting ready, travel, gas, wait, walk to/from transportation) most commutes are easily an hour on each side of the work day. That's 10 hours a week.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Ivan Illich calculated that if you added up the time it took you to drive your car, park it, maintain it, and work to pay for it, it would work out at 4 MPH. That's walking speed.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  So basically the car is free from a "waste hours of my life" perspective and you get the added convenience of being able to be a lot more flexible about when you waste that life and not having to walk in the rain or jump though extra hoops when moving stuff you can't just carry.
lanstin 4y ago
I like taking light rail, and on days I go into work, it is understood to be 10 to 4, and mostly spent chatting to people (about software largely but not necessarily this sprints top tasks).
llaolleh 4y ago
Make it three hours a day. Grooming, picking pants, packing computer, etc, those all take time. If you're working 8 hours, you're spending 3/8 = 37.5% of the time not building value. Which is insane in retrospect.
- p0pcult 4y ago
  If your 3-hour commute comes out of your 8-hour workday (as is suggested by your formula), then your experience is not representative.
- smn1234 4y ago
  I assume you intended 3/11 ?
null0ranje 4y ago
When I go into the office, it's 90 minutes by commuter rail (with very limited service hours) plus another 30-45 on the subway (when it's not on fire), then another 15-20 minutes walking. Each way. I'm mentally wiped my the time I get in. Most of my job is WFH, and I'm only going in when I must be in the office. I'm fortunate that I can shift some of my work time to my train time, but it's still a big chunk out of my day to just move around.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

Ivan Illich calculated that if you added up the time it took you to drive your car, park it, maintain it, and work to pay for it, it would work out at 4 MPH. That's walking speed.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
So basically the car is free from a "waste hours of my life" perspective and you get the added convenience of being able to be a lot more flexible about when you waste that life and not having to walk in the rain or jump though extra hoops when moving stuff you can't just carry.

lanstin 4y ago

I like taking light rail, and on days I go into work, it is understood to be 10 to 4, and mostly spent chatting to people (about software largely but not necessarily this sprints top tasks).

llaolleh 4y ago

Make it three hours a day. Grooming, picking pants, packing computer, etc, those all take time. If you're working 8 hours, you're spending 3/8 = 37.5% of the time not building value. Which is insane in retrospect.

p0pcult 4y ago
If your 3-hour commute comes out of your 8-hour workday (as is suggested by your formula), then your experience is not representative.
smn1234 4y ago
I assume you intended 3/11 ?

null0ranje 4y ago

When I go into the office, it's 90 minutes by commuter rail (with very limited service hours) plus another 30-45 on the subway (when it's not on fire), then another 15-20 minutes walking. Each way. I'm mentally wiped my the time I get in. Most of my job is WFH, and I'm only going in when I must be in the office. I'm fortunate that I can shift some of my work time to my train time, but it's still a big chunk out of my day to just move around.