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“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” Sounds

“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evolutionary standpoint. That said, What huge imago made A psychopathic god: I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return.

trillic 4y ago
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DFHippie 4y ago
> “ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” > Sounds almost like victim blaming. The public health measures could be directed at the bullies, no?
hristov 4y ago
Bullying as social correction is a very bad type of social correction. This way the social correction is done by the dumbest and most violent members of society in order to conform society to their vision. And then society grows up to become dumb and violent. Well lets not kid ourselves, this is exactly what has been happening in human history, and that why humanity continues to be mired in suffering and conflict and is intentionally destroying its environment. But this is something we have to change. Social correction should be done by trained adults that know exactly which traits are bad and to be corrected. I think when the article says "that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying" they refer to more health based intervention. Such as helping kids to be healthy and not malnourished, or overweight from eating bad food.
lukas099 4y ago
> Sounds almost like victim blaming. I disagree. They are not suggesting that the interventions specifically target the victims.
- 2devnull 4y ago
  I didn’t do a close read. My comment was in response to this: “ research has identified some factors that predispose children to be targeted by bullying behaviours. These studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” To be clear I said nature shouldn’t be our guide. Nature often means that life is nasty brutish and short. I even quoted the famous Auden poem as support. Sheesh!
  - lukas099 4y ago
    To me the quote you posted doesn't suggest what you thought, but it's perfectly fair if you interpreted it differently. Cheers.
themitigating 4y ago
Who determines what is socially correct?
- 2devnull 4y ago
  The bullies. From an evolutionary perspective it would ultimately come down to those who get to choose their mate.
licebmi__at__ 4y ago
> Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. This is only true if bullying actually corrects something which is a big logical leap to just leave to an appeal to nature.
tablespoon 4y ago
> “ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” > Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evolutionary standpoint. That said, A distinction needs to be made between post-facto "victim blaming" and prevention that involves potential victims. Conflating the two leads one to oppose good measures out of an allegiance to an unrealistically perfect, ideologically-motivated fantasy (that social problems can and should be solved only by authorities applying pressure to the "guilty" people").

trillic 4y ago

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DFHippie 4y ago

hristov 4y ago

Bullying as social correction is a very bad type of social correction. This way the social correction is done by the dumbest and most violent members of society in order to conform society to their vision. And then society grows up to become dumb and violent. Well lets not kid ourselves, this is exactly what has been happening in human history, and that why humanity continues to be mired in suffering and conflict and is intentionally destroying its environment. But this is something we have to change. Social correction should be done by trained adults that know exactly which traits are bad and to be corrected. I think when the article says "that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying" they refer to more health based intervention. Such as helping kids to be healthy and not malnourished, or overweight from eating bad food.

lukas099 4y ago

> Sounds almost like victim blaming. I disagree. They are not suggesting that the interventions specifically target the victims.

2devnull 4y ago
I didn’t do a close read. My comment was in response to this: “ research has identified some factors that predispose children to be targeted by bullying behaviours. These studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” To be clear I said nature shouldn’t be our guide. Nature often means that life is nasty brutish and short. I even quoted the famous Auden poem as support. Sheesh!
- lukas099 4y ago
  To me the quote you posted doesn't suggest what you thought, but it's perfectly fair if you interpreted it differently. Cheers.

themitigating 4y ago

Who determines what is socially correct?

2devnull 4y ago
The bullies. From an evolutionary perspective it would ultimately come down to those who get to choose their mate.

licebmi__at__ 4y ago

> Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. This is only true if bullying actually corrects something which is a big logical leap to just leave to an appeal to nature.

tablespoon 4y ago

> “ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” > Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evolutionary standpoint. That said, A distinction needs to be made between post-facto "victim blaming" and prevention that involves potential victims. Conflating the two leads one to oppose good measures out of an allegiance to an unrealistically perfect, ideologically-motivated fantasy (that social problems can and should be solved only by authorities applying pressure to the "guilty" people").