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> First, I find they did not explain their model well. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's not an extraordinary claim tho. Literally, eve

> First, I find they did not explain their model well. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's not an extraordinary claim tho. Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating. This is basically old news. The cost of living "crisis" means that the price of energy is not becoming a matter for the average working person. This isn't really extraorinary to claim since salaries aren't exactly high and many people struggle to pay their bills by default with the price of food, energy, etc all going up while their salaries aren't going up then it clearly means some people will struggle to pay for the heating.

jakozaur 4y ago
I agree that more people will die, but the Economist claim is that 100k more will die: " Hence the energy crunch this year could cause over 100,000 extra deaths of elderly people across Europe. " Article shows some modelling, but I was not convinced and can point some holes: https://www.economist.com/interactive/graphic-detail/2022/11/26/high-fuel-prices-could-kill-more-europeans-than-fighting-in-ukraine-has https://www.economist.com/interactive/graphic-detail/2022/11...
_trackno5 4y ago
> Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating. Yes, but the problem is not explaining that people aren't dying because of the cold itself. The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. Pretty much all reporting forgets to add the nuance that deaths in colder months increase because: 1. If it is colder, people are more likely to stay indoors and that increases viral infections 2. Cold makes our immune systems not work as well, which increases the chances of serious complications from infections 3. Cold environments keep viruses around for longer. 4. Cold weather also causes blood to thicken, which can lead to an increased chance of things like strokes (which then lead to higher death rates). This is the nuance that reporting feels to present.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  > The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. This is true. Old people freeze to death every year.
  - prvit 4y ago
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. It's 100% true in my part of the US.

jakozaur 4y ago

I agree that more people will die, but the Economist claim is that 100k more will die: " Hence the energy crunch this year could cause over 100,000 extra deaths of elderly people across Europe. " Article shows some modelling, but I was not convinced and can point some holes: https://www.economist.com/interactive/graphic-detail/2022/11/26/high-fuel-prices-could-kill-more-europeans-than-fighting-in-ukraine-has https://www.economist.com/interactive/graphic-detail/2022/11...

_trackno5 4y ago

> Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating. Yes, but the problem is not explaining that people aren't dying because of the cold itself. The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. Pretty much all reporting forgets to add the nuance that deaths in colder months increase because: 1. If it is colder, people are more likely to stay indoors and that increases viral infections 2. Cold makes our immune systems not work as well, which increases the chances of serious complications from infections 3. Cold environments keep viruses around for longer. 4. Cold weather also causes blood to thicken, which can lead to an increased chance of things like strokes (which then lead to higher death rates). This is the nuance that reporting feels to present.

that_guy_iain 4y ago
> The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. This is true. Old people freeze to death every year.
- prvit 4y ago
JohnFen 4y ago
> makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. It's 100% true in my part of the US.