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But you forget to mention that the disagreements are things like: “I think you dont have the right to exist because you are gay or black or non christian “ or

But you forget to mention that the disagreements are things like: “I think you dont have the right to exist because you are gay or black or non christian “ or “nevermind democracy trump should be president even though he lost” People aren’t getting cancelled because they think taxes are 5% too high

philovivero 4y ago
No-one believes either of those things. You should familiarise yourself with the arguments and beliefs of people outside your ideological bubble. To be charitable, I suppose what you mean is: "I don't believe gays/blacks are being genuine in their efforts to promote their agendas" and "there has been significant election interference, including against my preferred candidate (Trump|Clinton)." Note that the latter belief is also widely held by those who preferred eg Clinton in 2016, including Clinton herself, who has loudly and proudly declared repeatedly that she would/should have been president but for election interference. So if the latter belief is enough to get someone canceled from their job, and you support that, then I guess that includes about 90% of the population. I don't think you're being reasonable here. As to the former belief, I think looking back at how Black Lives Matter has turned out should be enough to convince most reasonable people that some of the biggest/loudest agendas promoted over the past few years aren't genuine. As to your last assertion, you're correct. No-one is getting canceled over minor quibbles over tax rates. I don't know anyone who is claiming that.
- amanaplanacanal 4y ago
  There have been plenty of claims that people have been kicked off social media because they are conservative.
- drewbug01 4y ago
  > No-one believes either of those things. “No-one” is a pretty broad claim, yeah? > including Clinton herself, who has loudly and proudly declared repeatedly that she would/should have been president but for election interference. The point you make is interesting, but surely there are pretty big differences in those two situations? Are they really identical in any way? I would be curious to know why they are the same thing and can be compared with each other like this - from my point of view, I don’t think I could agree.
pannSun 4y ago
If you take the most uncharitable interpretation of the most extreme position, then of course the backlash looks justified. But have you tried actually understanding the "other side"?
- ryandrake 4y ago
  The point is that the extreme positions are the ones typically resulting in backlash. Nobody is being canceled because they speak out against the capital gains tax. "Oh, you know the ones"[1] 1: https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang=en https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174...
  - trention 4y ago
    Ah, yes, like the extreme position of being against affirmative action: https://www.thefire.org/news/ilya-shapiro-resigns-georgetown-following-reinstatement-after-122-day-investigation-tweets https://www.thefire.org/news/ilya-shapiro-resigns-georgetown...
  - pannSun 4y ago
    Here are a few examples of non-extreme/factual positions resulting in backlash: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33800802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33800802
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batch12 4y ago
> nevermind democracy trump should be president even though he lost Seems I heard this from his opponents during his term and I don't remember people losing their jobs over it. Also, does this include people who think 'nevermind democracy' for real? Communists, socialists? What's happening is dangerous because there have been efforts to convince people that “I think you dont have the right to exist because you are gay or black or non christian “ == “nevermind democracy trump should be president even though he lost”. Once you see your opponent as a monster, treating them poorly is easy. When we abstract each other into caricatures through the filter of a screen, it becomes easy to say and do these things.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  > people who think 'nevermind democracy' for real? Communists, socialists? Neither. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33756452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33756452 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarv...
LtWorf 4y ago
You can get cancelled also for false accusations.
curtisblaine 4y ago
What does it mean "you have no right to exist"? I see this phrase used a lot, often to describe things like "you shouldn't be allowed to play football in a female team if you have male genitals" and I'm sorry, the two are not equivalent.
- trention 4y ago

philovivero 4y ago

No-one believes either of those things. You should familiarise yourself with the arguments and beliefs of people outside your ideological bubble. To be charitable, I suppose what you mean is: "I don't believe gays/blacks are being genuine in their efforts to promote their agendas" and "there has been significant election interference, including against my preferred candidate (Trump|Clinton)." Note that the latter belief is also widely held by those who preferred eg Clinton in 2016, including Clinton herself, who has loudly and proudly declared repeatedly that she would/should have been president but for election interference. So if the latter belief is enough to get someone canceled from their job, and you support that, then I guess that includes about 90% of the population. I don't think you're being reasonable here. As to the former belief, I think looking back at how Black Lives Matter has turned out should be enough to convince most reasonable people that some of the biggest/loudest agendas promoted over the past few years aren't genuine. As to your last assertion, you're correct. No-one is getting canceled over minor quibbles over tax rates. I don't know anyone who is claiming that.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago
There have been plenty of claims that people have been kicked off social media because they are conservative.
drewbug01 4y ago
> No-one believes either of those things. “No-one” is a pretty broad claim, yeah? > including Clinton herself, who has loudly and proudly declared repeatedly that she would/should have been president but for election interference. The point you make is interesting, but surely there are pretty big differences in those two situations? Are they really identical in any way? I would be curious to know why they are the same thing and can be compared with each other like this - from my point of view, I don’t think I could agree.

pannSun 4y ago

If you take the most uncharitable interpretation of the most extreme position, then of course the backlash looks justified. But have you tried actually understanding the "other side"?

ryandrake 4y ago
The point is that the extreme positions are the ones typically resulting in backlash. Nobody is being canceled because they speak out against the capital gains tax. "Oh, you know the ones"[1] 1: https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang=en https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174...
- trention 4y ago
  Ah, yes, like the extreme position of being against affirmative action: https://www.thefire.org/news/ilya-shapiro-resigns-georgetown-following-reinstatement-after-122-day-investigation-tweets https://www.thefire.org/news/ilya-shapiro-resigns-georgetown...
- pannSun 4y ago
  Here are a few examples of non-extreme/factual positions resulting in backlash: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33800802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33800802
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batch12 4y ago

> nevermind democracy trump should be president even though he lost Seems I heard this from his opponents during his term and I don't remember people losing their jobs over it. Also, does this include people who think 'nevermind democracy' for real? Communists, socialists? What's happening is dangerous because there have been efforts to convince people that “I think you dont have the right to exist because you are gay or black or non christian “ == “nevermind democracy trump should be president even though he lost”. Once you see your opponent as a monster, treating them poorly is easy. When we abstract each other into caricatures through the filter of a screen, it becomes easy to say and do these things.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> people who think 'nevermind democracy' for real? Communists, socialists? Neither. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33756452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33756452 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarv...

LtWorf 4y ago

You can get cancelled also for false accusations.

curtisblaine 4y ago

What does it mean "you have no right to exist"? I see this phrase used a lot, often to describe things like "you shouldn't be allowed to play football in a female team if you have male genitals" and I'm sorry, the two are not equivalent.

trention 4y ago