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> The absolute majority of people WANTS to be healthy, happy and safe. "Wanting" something is completely meaningless, if you want other conflicting things more

> The absolute majority of people WANTS to be healthy, happy and safe. "Wanting" something is completely meaningless, if you want other conflicting things more. I can say I want to lose weight, but if I also "want" to eat a whole pizza every night after eating my normal meals that's probably not going to happen. For me and probably a lot of people, the first step towards getting my weight in control was to decide that losing weight was one of my top priorities, and not just something I think about once in a while.

kangda123 4y ago
While I don't think that wanting is completely meaningless, the last bit rings very true. Ultimately you have to reshape your life and environment a little bit.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  For significant weight loss it’s more than a little bit. You have to reshape your life and environment drastically.
JshWright 4y ago
I guarantee you there are many, many people who think about their weight way more often than "once in a while" (more like "every waking moment"), but still struggle massively with disordered eating due to a variety of factors that make it far less simple than you're making it out to be.
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- mattlondon 4y ago
  For me it is more thinking about eating every waking moment. Weight is a constant struggle as I think about eating something essentially non stop. There is that trope that men think about sex every 7 seconds - for me it is thinking about eating. I never feel full and always want more - I can finish up a big lunch and within mere minutes be thinking about dinner and what I can have for a snack or whatever. It is a constant struggle. It consumes my mind and I often can't think about anything else.
- FartyMcFarter 4y ago
  I understand that there are extreme cases like that, but that's a minority of people. I was commenting on the majority of people.
nickybearblog 4y ago
> For me and probably a lot of people, the first step towards getting my weight in control was to decide that losing weight was one of my top priorities, and not just something I think about once in a while. I think it all comes down to the level of control you have over your effort and results. For some, it's a losing battle against long term mental health problems and coping mechanisms (like in my case), for others it's against physical conditions like thyroid and hormonal problems. Others it's just a simple case of 'I want to eat what I want'. It is ultimately about making it a priority, but for this who aren't just eating because they want to, overcoming that problem becomes a whole bigger thing, and that's a much more insurmountable looking obstacle. That doesn't meant they can't achieve what they're looking for, else I wouldn't be trying myself. But it does mean the issue goes further, and support needs to look at the whole issue. Nutrition guides and workout programs don't resolve the deep seated mental blockers.
- AstralStorm 4y ago
  And all while we're ignoring the fact that many foods are engineered for increasing appetite and higher caloric content. Or that there just might be an environmental issue as well. (Endocrine disruptors, perhaps?) Otherwise, how the heck does one explain the obesity epidemic? It is not like most if any people choose to be fat. And no, amount of physical labor is still considerable. It's very easy to individualize a systemic issue.

kangda123 4y ago

While I don't think that wanting is completely meaningless, the last bit rings very true. Ultimately you have to reshape your life and environment a little bit.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
For significant weight loss it’s more than a little bit. You have to reshape your life and environment drastically.

JshWright 4y ago

I guarantee you there are many, many people who think about their weight way more often than "once in a while" (more like "every waking moment"), but still struggle massively with disordered eating due to a variety of factors that make it far less simple than you're making it out to be.

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mattlondon 4y ago
For me it is more thinking about eating every waking moment. Weight is a constant struggle as I think about eating something essentially non stop. There is that trope that men think about sex every 7 seconds - for me it is thinking about eating. I never feel full and always want more - I can finish up a big lunch and within mere minutes be thinking about dinner and what I can have for a snack or whatever. It is a constant struggle. It consumes my mind and I often can't think about anything else.
FartyMcFarter 4y ago
I understand that there are extreme cases like that, but that's a minority of people. I was commenting on the majority of people.

nickybearblog 4y ago

> For me and probably a lot of people, the first step towards getting my weight in control was to decide that losing weight was one of my top priorities, and not just something I think about once in a while. I think it all comes down to the level of control you have over your effort and results. For some, it's a losing battle against long term mental health problems and coping mechanisms (like in my case), for others it's against physical conditions like thyroid and hormonal problems. Others it's just a simple case of 'I want to eat what I want'. It is ultimately about making it a priority, but for this who aren't just eating because they want to, overcoming that problem becomes a whole bigger thing, and that's a much more insurmountable looking obstacle. That doesn't meant they can't achieve what they're looking for, else I wouldn't be trying myself. But it does mean the issue goes further, and support needs to look at the whole issue. Nutrition guides and workout programs don't resolve the deep seated mental blockers.

AstralStorm 4y ago
And all while we're ignoring the fact that many foods are engineered for increasing appetite and higher caloric content. Or that there just might be an environmental issue as well. (Endocrine disruptors, perhaps?) Otherwise, how the heck does one explain the obesity epidemic? It is not like most if any people choose to be fat. And no, amount of physical labor is still considerable. It's very easy to individualize a systemic issue.