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Could you provide more details about IN-BERLIN ? I've took a look at the website, it's confusing, and they ask registration via post/fax, explicitly saying they

by YaBa 4y ago

Could you provide more details about IN-BERLIN ? I've took a look at the website, it's confusing, and they ask registration via post/fax, explicitly saying they do not accept e-mail. Which form have you used? (probably my issue is with DE translation). Is there any other sponsoring LIR recommended? Thank you.

dark-star 4y ago
IN BERLIN is probably best suited for people in Germany. It is a "Verein" ("registered association", something that I don't think exists in many other countries) which is run by dozens of volunteers (hence the "non-profit" part). So basically you join the "Verein" for a (small) monthly fee and are expected to participate in the activities of the Verein. This is probably also why they require you to join via mail (running a "Verein" is serious business in Germany, you have to have a charter, appoint a treasurer, hold regular meetings/votes for board members, have someone type a protocol of these meetings, etc.)... If you want them to register anything with RIPE they will also require you to send them a scan/copy of a valid ID (although that can be done via E-Mail) but that is because of RIPE policies as I understand it. Joining gives you (in this case) also access to some "old-school" things like webspace, shell access, nntp, ftp, ... (similar to what for example SDF.org offers). They were originally there to help people getting access to the internet and building a website (think 90's internet), but they also do housing for individuals nowadays, and help educate people (locally in Berlin) on how the internet works, etc. I have checked some other LIRs but they often only provide RIPE registration to their "customers" (what that means depends on the LIR but usually you have to have some hosting with them or have an ongoing project that they do for you, or something like that), so for individuals, I think non-profits or "Vereine" are probably the easiest to join PS: yes, the website was a bit confusing for me too, basically you choose the cheapest offering ("IN BERLIN S" for 5€/month) and use the "Antrag für IN-Berlin S/M/L" from https://in-berlin.de/provider/antrag.html https://in-berlin.de/provider/antrag.html... However, as I understand it, they also require you to provide a "SEPA mandate" so that they can collect the fees directly from your bank account, and I think if you don't live in Germany that might prove difficult.

by YaBa 4y ago

dark-star 4y ago

IN BERLIN is probably best suited for people in Germany. It is a "Verein" ("registered association", something that I don't think exists in many other countries) which is run by dozens of volunteers (hence the "non-profit" part). So basically you join the "Verein" for a (small) monthly fee and are expected to participate in the activities of the Verein. This is probably also why they require you to join via mail (running a "Verein" is serious business in Germany, you have to have a charter, appoint a treasurer, hold regular meetings/votes for board members, have someone type a protocol of these meetings, etc.)... If you want them to register anything with RIPE they will also require you to send them a scan/copy of a valid ID (although that can be done via E-Mail) but that is because of RIPE policies as I understand it. Joining gives you (in this case) also access to some "old-school" things like webspace, shell access, nntp, ftp, ... (similar to what for example SDF.org offers). They were originally there to help people getting access to the internet and building a website (think 90's internet), but they also do housing for individuals nowadays, and help educate people (locally in Berlin) on how the internet works, etc. I have checked some other LIRs but they often only provide RIPE registration to their "customers" (what that means depends on the LIR but usually you have to have some hosting with them or have an ongoing project that they do for you, or something like that), so for individuals, I think non-profits or "Vereine" are probably the easiest to join PS: yes, the website was a bit confusing for me too, basically you choose the cheapest offering ("IN BERLIN S" for 5€/month) and use the "Antrag für IN-Berlin S/M/L" from https://in-berlin.de/provider/antrag.html https://in-berlin.de/provider/antrag.html... However, as I understand it, they also require you to provide a "SEPA mandate" so that they can collect the fees directly from your bank account, and I think if you don't live in Germany that might prove difficult.