I'm happy to be written in grey also. There is a growing base of HN users who are basically brainwashed into being a mouth piece for the latest Google or Apple

I'm happy to be written in grey also. There is a growing base of HN users who are basically brainwashed into being a mouth piece for the latest Google or Apple marketing messages (i.e. Zealots) They're seriously degrading the quality of HN by not representing their own unique views, but rather rehashing some PR message supplied to them via Google/Apples significant PR efforts. (Both are astroturf.) Even in this example where the sample design shares a high likeness to an iphone, which is an interesting point of discussion due to current events. The zealots still have to step in and make themselves heard, touting their loyalty to a brand which is just trying to sell them something, over their own common sense and intelligence. Probably about time to realise that Google and Apple are two, somewhat similar USA tech companies who very likely don't give a fuck about any of you as individuals. This "war" between them is only about who can get your money.