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I think people are going to be shocked at how much Tesla’s market share disappears when Honda / Toyota get into the mix. They’ve sat back, learned all the lesso

I think people are going to be shocked at how much Tesla’s market share disappears when Honda / Toyota get into the mix. They’ve sat back, learned all the lessons from the early adopters, and are ready to put their massive manufacturing abilities to work making EVs.

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peppertree 4y ago
If it follows the smartphone market trend, Tesla will hold the premium segment while Korean and Chinese wipe the floor. Sadly the days of Japanese manufacturing dominance are over.
- asdff 4y ago
  Toyota is the most popular car brand in the U.S., followed by Honda.
  - nichos 4y ago
    Honda is actually 4th, behind Ford and Chevrolet.
    - tayo42 4y ago
      Because of the f150?
    - rasz 4y ago
      Afaik ford stopped selling all cars in US except Mustang, its all trucks now. Highly doubt Mustang sales beat all of Honda.
      - uni_rule 4y ago
        Seems a bit pedantic at this point to not count pickup trucks as cars despite being "technically true". It's not like they require a commercial license despite their size in the current year.
fleshdaddy 4y ago
I own a Tesla and I don’t see being able to own another ev unless you’re willing to not go on road trips and always have a garage or other reliable location with a wall charger. I think that they’ll dominate as commuter cars in large cities where driving is infrequent but I couldn’t see using one of those as a primary car outside of that. I’m mostly familiar with Teslas infrastructure so maybe someone else can speak to non-Tesla charging infra. It’s possibly better than I think.
- lbwtaylor 4y ago
  > I think that they’ll dominate as commuter cars in large cities where driving is infrequent. And this is turn will lead to expanding their charging network, and then Tesla is in real trouble. It seems inevitable at this point, but we'll see.
  - asdff 4y ago
    Congress just needs to mandate they all use usb-c
- strikelaserclaw 4y ago
  i mean, i think most people will have one gas powered long distance car and one electric local car. Really, how often do you go on road trips? For me this year, it was 4-5.
przemo_li 4y ago
Batteries. Everybody have better manufacturing capability then Tesla. Everybody know better then Tesla how to do cars. No really!!! It was always about costs side of equations. Manufacturing does not solve costs. Batteries factories and battery chemistry R&D solves costs. This and only this is why CAR oems didn't do good EVs before. So Toyota can do zero with their manufacturing until they invest in batteries. Nobody can, until they out-invest Tesla... Who has best deals in whole industry so far. So it's still Tesla that can build best cars is they choose to do. Cause why sell cheaper when you sell all at higher price???

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peppertree 4y ago

If it follows the smartphone market trend, Tesla will hold the premium segment while Korean and Chinese wipe the floor. Sadly the days of Japanese manufacturing dominance are over.

asdff 4y ago
Toyota is the most popular car brand in the U.S., followed by Honda.
- nichos 4y ago
  Honda is actually 4th, behind Ford and Chevrolet.
  - tayo42 4y ago
    Because of the f150?
  - rasz 4y ago
    Afaik ford stopped selling all cars in US except Mustang, its all trucks now. Highly doubt Mustang sales beat all of Honda.
    - uni_rule 4y ago
      Seems a bit pedantic at this point to not count pickup trucks as cars despite being "technically true". It's not like they require a commercial license despite their size in the current year.

fleshdaddy 4y ago

I own a Tesla and I don’t see being able to own another ev unless you’re willing to not go on road trips and always have a garage or other reliable location with a wall charger. I think that they’ll dominate as commuter cars in large cities where driving is infrequent but I couldn’t see using one of those as a primary car outside of that. I’m mostly familiar with Teslas infrastructure so maybe someone else can speak to non-Tesla charging infra. It’s possibly better than I think.

lbwtaylor 4y ago
> I think that they’ll dominate as commuter cars in large cities where driving is infrequent. And this is turn will lead to expanding their charging network, and then Tesla is in real trouble. It seems inevitable at this point, but we'll see.
- asdff 4y ago
  Congress just needs to mandate they all use usb-c
strikelaserclaw 4y ago
i mean, i think most people will have one gas powered long distance car and one electric local car. Really, how often do you go on road trips? For me this year, it was 4-5.

przemo_li 4y ago

Batteries. Everybody have better manufacturing capability then Tesla. Everybody know better then Tesla how to do cars. No really!!! It was always about costs side of equations. Manufacturing does not solve costs. Batteries factories and battery chemistry R&D solves costs. This and only this is why CAR oems didn't do good EVs before. So Toyota can do zero with their manufacturing until they invest in batteries. Nobody can, until they out-invest Tesla... Who has best deals in whole industry so far. So it's still Tesla that can build best cars is they choose to do. Cause why sell cheaper when you sell all at higher price???