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> Trump was democratically elected, did that make his bans on Muslims entering the US or other such policies any less authoritarian? This is nonsense, Trump ne

> Trump was democratically elected, did that make his bans on Muslims entering the US or other such policies any less authoritarian? This is nonsense, Trump never put a ban on Muslims, from the ACLU (a stronlgy anti-Trump organization) President Donald > Trump signed an Executive Order that banned foreign nationals from seven predominantly Muslim countries from visiting the country for 90 days, suspended entry to the country of all Syrian refugees indefinitely, and prohibited any other refugees from coming into the country for 120 days.[1] Banning people from certain countries is a whole different ball game than banning people from a certain religion, further the country with the world's largest Muslim population, Indonesia wasn't even on the list. Let me ask you how do you feel about the government labeling and suppressing misinformation? [1] https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban

Manuel_D 4y ago
Trump repeatedly stated that the point of the ban was to ban Muslims from entering the country. Your own source calls it a "Muslim ban": > As the Muslim ban went into effect on Saturday, lawyers from the ACLU-WA and the NW Immigrant Rights Project rushed to SeaTac Airport to help immigrants on incoming flights who were being denied entry to the U.S. Kind of hard to take this seriously, when your own source contradicts you. As an analogy, conservatives talk about gun bans in California and New York yet bolt action rifles remain legal there. Not every gun is banned, so it's wrong to call it a "gun ban"? > Let me ask you how do you feel about the government labeling and suppressing misinformation? They shouldn't and the fact that said governments are democracies doesn't make it any less authoritarian.
- alvah 4y ago
  "Trump repeatedly stated that the point of the ban was to ban Muslims from entering the country." Do you have a citation for this? I’m no fan of Trump, but that’s not what I remember.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    He called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/28/mike-pence-once-called-trumps-muslim-ban-unconstitutional-he-just-applauded-the-order/?variant=d846d44221ecba95 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/28/mi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769#Trump_campaign_and_administration_statements_before_the_order's_signing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769#Trump_ca...
    - alvah 4y ago
      Fair enough - this was pre-election but still inexcusable. I didn't think he had explicitly called the 2017 travel ban a ban on Muslims, and I haven't seen anything to suggest he did.

Manuel_D 4y ago

Trump repeatedly stated that the point of the ban was to ban Muslims from entering the country. Your own source calls it a "Muslim ban": > As the Muslim ban went into effect on Saturday, lawyers from the ACLU-WA and the NW Immigrant Rights Project rushed to SeaTac Airport to help immigrants on incoming flights who were being denied entry to the U.S. Kind of hard to take this seriously, when your own source contradicts you. As an analogy, conservatives talk about gun bans in California and New York yet bolt action rifles remain legal there. Not every gun is banned, so it's wrong to call it a "gun ban"? > Let me ask you how do you feel about the government labeling and suppressing misinformation? They shouldn't and the fact that said governments are democracies doesn't make it any less authoritarian.

alvah 4y ago
"Trump repeatedly stated that the point of the ban was to ban Muslims from entering the country." Do you have a citation for this? I’m no fan of Trump, but that’s not what I remember.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  He called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/28/mike-pence-once-called-trumps-muslim-ban-unconstitutional-he-just-applauded-the-order/?variant=d846d44221ecba95 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/28/mi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769#Trump_campaign_and_administration_statements_before_the_order's_signing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769#Trump_ca...
  - alvah 4y ago
    Fair enough - this was pre-election but still inexcusable. I didn't think he had explicitly called the 2017 travel ban a ban on Muslims, and I haven't seen anything to suggest he did.