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There's a huge difference between the effort required to get one person's records from wherever they are now and the effort required to trawl through a centrali

by _jal 4y ago

There's a huge difference between the effort required to get one person's records from wherever they are now and the effort required to trawl through a centralized database. Put all the data in one place and make it easy to access and LEOs are going to treat it the same way they do their other data sources - abuse it up to the point they can get away with. It happens every single time.

giantg2 4y ago
But it's not all in one place, even in the cloud. You have numerous machines, data centers, client encryption, etc. "abuse it up to the point they can get away with." And I guarantee anything that would happen in the cloud is already happening.
- _jal 4y ago
  > And I guarantee anything that would happen in the cloud is already happening. Then you should be much more careful about what you choose to guarantee, because you'd be wrong, and that heavily devalues your "guarantees". Many of the abuses described in the article below are simply not possible when data is distributed amongst many actors. And many of the targeted abuses would never have happened without easy access to these databases. https://apnews.com/article/699236946e3140659fff8a2362e16f43 https://apnews.com/article/699236946e3140659fff8a2362e16f43 It simply comes down this this: make data more available, and it will be used more. In theory, it is possible to build audited systems that, combined with oversight, could solve a lot of this. But in practice, audit trails are frequently never built, oversight ranges from powerless to nonexistent, and the extreme deference cops get in this country means this stuff is rarely investigated and results in wrist slaps when it is.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    "Then you should be much more careful about what you choose to guarantee, because you'd be wrong," Please, do show me how I'm wrong. HIPAA allows the disclosure of some health information without a warrant. There are plenty of abuses that happen today. Would centralizing increase those? Sure. But they are already happening. And again, I don't see whether these are truly centralized like a DB, or if they're independently on the cloud (or perhaps you didn't answer that because you're trolling).
    - _jal 4y ago
      > perhaps you didn't answer that because you're trolling You don't get to accuse me of trolling when you're being intentionally unresponsive and obtuse. Just another username I'm not going to waste time on in the future.

by _jal 4y ago

giantg2 4y ago

But it's not all in one place, even in the cloud. You have numerous machines, data centers, client encryption, etc. "abuse it up to the point they can get away with." And I guarantee anything that would happen in the cloud is already happening.

_jal 4y ago
> And I guarantee anything that would happen in the cloud is already happening. Then you should be much more careful about what you choose to guarantee, because you'd be wrong, and that heavily devalues your "guarantees". Many of the abuses described in the article below are simply not possible when data is distributed amongst many actors. And many of the targeted abuses would never have happened without easy access to these databases. https://apnews.com/article/699236946e3140659fff8a2362e16f43 https://apnews.com/article/699236946e3140659fff8a2362e16f43 It simply comes down this this: make data more available, and it will be used more. In theory, it is possible to build audited systems that, combined with oversight, could solve a lot of this. But in practice, audit trails are frequently never built, oversight ranges from powerless to nonexistent, and the extreme deference cops get in this country means this stuff is rarely investigated and results in wrist slaps when it is.
- giantg2 4y ago
  "Then you should be much more careful about what you choose to guarantee, because you'd be wrong," Please, do show me how I'm wrong. HIPAA allows the disclosure of some health information without a warrant. There are plenty of abuses that happen today. Would centralizing increase those? Sure. But they are already happening. And again, I don't see whether these are truly centralized like a DB, or if they're independently on the cloud (or perhaps you didn't answer that because you're trolling).
  - _jal 4y ago
    > perhaps you didn't answer that because you're trolling You don't get to accuse me of trolling when you're being intentionally unresponsive and obtuse. Just another username I'm not going to waste time on in the future.