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> The U.S. EV charging network is a mess. For all the reasons listed in the article and because North America has two different EV charging plugs and protocols

> The U.S. EV charging network is a mess. For all the reasons listed in the article and because North America has two different EV charging plugs and protocols in CCS Type 1 Combo and the Tesla plug (three if you count CHAdeMO). And also because there exist closed charging networks which only charge one brand of EV (Rivian's network, Tesla's network). It's a profoundly stupid situation. It's holding back charger build-out and stunting EV adoption. Just as ICE vehicles can fuel at any fuel station, EVs should be able to charge at any charging station. Anything less just makes EVs worse. Europe is doing it much better. By standardizing on CCS Type 2 combo all brands of EV can charge on all brands of charging network in Europe, as nature intended. It's one of the reasons why the European EV market is bigger than the North American EV market.

Tagbert 4y ago
The US has a standard charge plug, CCS type 1. Other than Tesla, all other manufacturers are using CCS. Chademo is an old, dead charging system that will rapidly disappear now that Nissan is no longer using it on their new cars. The CCS charging providers are coalescing around a plug-and-pay system that lets anyone plug in and pay without needing separate accounts on each system. That standard is being incorporated into newer chargers and vehicles are being upgraded to support it. the EV charging market is larger because fuel is more expensive, people drive shorter distances, and governments have more consistently promoted the switch.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > Other than Tesla, all other manufacturers are using CCS. Aptera is going Tesla plug apparently: https://electrek.co/2022/11/23/aptera-use-tesla-charge-connector-solar-electric-car/ https://electrek.co/2022/11/23/aptera-use-tesla-charge-conne... It's stupid. It would be better if Tesla switched to CCS in North America, just as they did in Europe. But it seems like they're going to persist with the Tesla plug.
justin66 4y ago
> It's holding back charger build-out and stunting EV adoption. Are any of the EV manufacturers selling in the United States not suffering from a major delivery backlog? Maybe they'd get more orders if the charger situation was settled, but would they really be delivering more cars?
- clouddrover 4y ago
  Investment goes to where the situation is certain. The EV requirement has been clear and the infrastructure question has been unambiguous in Europe. More EV investment has gone to Europe as a consequence. North America will catch up eventually.

Tagbert 4y ago

The US has a standard charge plug, CCS type 1. Other than Tesla, all other manufacturers are using CCS. Chademo is an old, dead charging system that will rapidly disappear now that Nissan is no longer using it on their new cars. The CCS charging providers are coalescing around a plug-and-pay system that lets anyone plug in and pay without needing separate accounts on each system. That standard is being incorporated into newer chargers and vehicles are being upgraded to support it. the EV charging market is larger because fuel is more expensive, people drive shorter distances, and governments have more consistently promoted the switch.

clouddrover 4y ago
> Other than Tesla, all other manufacturers are using CCS. Aptera is going Tesla plug apparently: https://electrek.co/2022/11/23/aptera-use-tesla-charge-connector-solar-electric-car/ https://electrek.co/2022/11/23/aptera-use-tesla-charge-conne... It's stupid. It would be better if Tesla switched to CCS in North America, just as they did in Europe. But it seems like they're going to persist with the Tesla plug.

justin66 4y ago

> It's holding back charger build-out and stunting EV adoption. Are any of the EV manufacturers selling in the United States not suffering from a major delivery backlog? Maybe they'd get more orders if the charger situation was settled, but would they really be delivering more cars?

clouddrover 4y ago
Investment goes to where the situation is certain. The EV requirement has been clear and the infrastructure question has been unambiguous in Europe. More EV investment has gone to Europe as a consequence. North America will catch up eventually.