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All directors are, but are all shareholders? I just did a quick check and it only seemed to list people with significant control, not all shareholders. Unless t

All directors are, but are all shareholders? I just did a quick check and it only seemed to list people with significant control, not all shareholders. Unless there’s an area I’ve missed.

sph 4y ago
Yeah you might be right, only bigger shareholders are listed.
theonlybutlet 4y ago
That's accounting speak for true ownership. But they do get around this listing some legal entity in a tax haven.
petercooper 4y ago
Yes. However, you need to hunt a bit by going into the "returns." Go into "Filing history" then tick "Confirmation statements / Annual returns." Then skip any "confirmation statements" that have "no updates." Eventually you will reach an "Annual return" with "full list of shareholders." This document will include all shareholders and is true for any Ltd company I've looked up in recent years. They just don't republish it every year. Of course, this list may well just be other companies that are overseas and you can't drill down into their owners.. ;-)
- blibble 4y ago
  annual returns were dropped several years ago a new company won't have one at all
  - petercooper 4y ago
    The name changed but confirmation statements are basically the same thing, except if there are no changes, they just confirm prior information. You can go back to whatever that prior information is. For companies formed after 2016, full shareholder information will be in the incorporation documents under "Initial Shareholdings."
- kilotaras 4y ago
  > Of course, this list may well just be other companies that are overseas and you can't drill down into their owners.. ;-) And this is a crucial difference. UBOs (Ultimate Beneficial Owner) registries list, well, the ultimate beneficial owner(s), the person at then end of chain. See examples in twitter thread [0] (already linked a couple of times). [0] https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1597588206874157058 https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1597588206874157058

All directors are, but are all shareholders? I just did a quick check and it only seemed to list people with significant control, not all shareholders. Unless there’s an area I’ve missed.

sph 4y ago

Yeah you might be right, only bigger shareholders are listed.

theonlybutlet 4y ago

That's accounting speak for true ownership. But they do get around this listing some legal entity in a tax haven.

petercooper 4y ago

Yes. However, you need to hunt a bit by going into the "returns." Go into "Filing history" then tick "Confirmation statements / Annual returns." Then skip any "confirmation statements" that have "no updates." Eventually you will reach an "Annual return" with "full list of shareholders." This document will include all shareholders and is true for any Ltd company I've looked up in recent years. They just don't republish it every year. Of course, this list may well just be other companies that are overseas and you can't drill down into their owners.. ;-)

blibble 4y ago
annual returns were dropped several years ago a new company won't have one at all
- petercooper 4y ago
  The name changed but confirmation statements are basically the same thing, except if there are no changes, they just confirm prior information. You can go back to whatever that prior information is. For companies formed after 2016, full shareholder information will be in the incorporation documents under "Initial Shareholdings."
kilotaras 4y ago
> Of course, this list may well just be other companies that are overseas and you can't drill down into their owners.. ;-) And this is a crucial difference. UBOs (Ultimate Beneficial Owner) registries list, well, the ultimate beneficial owner(s), the person at then end of chain. See examples in twitter thread [0] (already linked a couple of times). [0] https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1597588206874157058 https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1597588206874157058