I don't know much about case law but seemed that in both cases there must be burden of proof that they are a harm to themselves or others. From my time in SF I

I don't know much about case law but seemed that in both cases there must be burden of proof that they are a harm to themselves or others. From my time in SF I have seen more people than I can count walking around with blood and feces caked on their legs. I could see someone like that requiring instituional help.