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Of course you're right, but let's continue the thought experiment: if they had used some of the imagery you suggest, would anyone claim that the people taking t

Of course you're right, but let's continue the thought experiment: if they had used some of the imagery you suggest, would anyone claim that the people taking the photos were starving said children, or imprisoning people?

naturedaily 4y ago
This is not what is claimed, at least, not by the reasonable people opposed to such marketing. The photos would constitute gore. Just like the Balencia photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. The photographer is just pushing aside blame. They knew damn well what they were depicting when they checked the light values on the dog bowls and discarded adult clothing placed on the floor of a child's room. The photographer still says the pushback in general is way overblown, and that people repulsed by these images are overreacting. They know what they did, they just donnot see a problem with it. That is how normal such shoots are these days at the higher levels of the fashion and modeling industry. What would you expect of someone who takes photos of starving children in a bright Beneton shirt?
- p0pcult 4y ago
  >Balencia [sic]
  - naturedaily 4y ago
    The photoshoot included a roll of police tape with the sic: Baalencia. With Baal they were referring to Lord Moloch, a pagan God who demanded child sacrifice by casting these in the fires of a horned bull statue. So the fashion and modeling industry. They depict the demon. Youth and Beauty sacrificed at the altar of Lord Moloch. Maybe the photos are meant as a warning or a way to offset karmic debt. > I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl > who says this? Someone who actually believes in free speech, not faux-free speech or faux-satanism. It is improbable, yes, even for those who talk a lot about free speech and satanism. > So you're saying I said what I said. These shoots, and the movie Cuties, invoked a pedophilic attraction in me. I do not think that was purely imagination, nor do I appreciate being questioned about the veracity of my feelings by someome who was not born for this path. > tell us more about the viewers, based on their reactions, than about the photography itself? I do not get this attraction to a photo of a milk carton. The photography itself certainly plays a role. The more you can identify with the photographer, in regards to boundaries and tastes and attractions, the more a photo will resonate with you.
    - p0pcult 4y ago
      It's funny to keep trying to convince people you are a "real pedophile" (TM). In particular, with a zero-day account. I don't merely question the veracity of your feelings; I am calling your entire account (both the literal user account, and also the retelling of your stories) fiction. It's also very suspect that you picked "Cuties" which was the prior round of moral outrage; it is almost as though, rather than being a "real pedophile" (TM) you are just sifting through Tucker Carlson's satanic panics to make provocative points that suit whatever weird agenda you have. Lastly (and I do mean lastly, as after this, I'm done engaging you in discourse) it's interesting that you're sweating me, specifically. Every single comment on your fake identity "real pedophile" (TM) 4 hour old account is in response to me.
mc32 4y ago
Not necessarily but they would talk about "normalizing" and advancing certain unwelcome attitudes and behavior. Let's say they "recreated" a Srebernica scene -it would certainly be controversial. No one would accuse them of massacring the actors --less so if they used CGI --but never the less is it would be considered beyond the pale and would be denounced by virtually everyone and for good reason. It's gross. It's repugnant. What they did was and is repugnant as well.
- p0pcult 4y ago
  My only horse in this particular race is that--repugnant or not--this ad campaign does not constitute pedophilia, grooming, pedophilia normalization, or the like, as is claimed (for example) in the sibling to your comment: >Just like the Balencia [sic] photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. Furthermore, that, these moral panics are dangerous and (specifically in this case), constitute attempts at stochastic terrorism and political destabilization.
  - mc32 4y ago
    We'll have to disagree.
    - p0pcult 4y ago
      Ceci n'est pas un pipe.
  - naturedaily 4y ago
    I agree that moral panics are undesirable. But by saying "these" you imply that this is all this is: a moral panic. You would have to be able to see this as more than just panic, or you will deem anyone in this debate under the spell of moral panic. You then cannot accept good faith on counterarguments. This is not pragmatic. Yes, polarization is used to pit right against left. We could all join hands on this: It is repugnant to use vulnerable children for marketing that reeks of pedophilia. Do not focus on those screaming global cabal of satanist abusers, and certainly do not make it representative of the position of your political opposition. How far are you willing to go to concede on this topic? Or should we let such politicized events destabilize us without a fight (through debate).

naturedaily 4y ago

This is not what is claimed, at least, not by the reasonable people opposed to such marketing. The photos would constitute gore. Just like the Balencia photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. The photographer is just pushing aside blame. They knew damn well what they were depicting when they checked the light values on the dog bowls and discarded adult clothing placed on the floor of a child's room. The photographer still says the pushback in general is way overblown, and that people repulsed by these images are overreacting. They know what they did, they just donnot see a problem with it. That is how normal such shoots are these days at the higher levels of the fashion and modeling industry. What would you expect of someone who takes photos of starving children in a bright Beneton shirt?

p0pcult 4y ago
>Balencia [sic]
- naturedaily 4y ago
  The photoshoot included a roll of police tape with the sic: Baalencia. With Baal they were referring to Lord Moloch, a pagan God who demanded child sacrifice by casting these in the fires of a horned bull statue. So the fashion and modeling industry. They depict the demon. Youth and Beauty sacrificed at the altar of Lord Moloch. Maybe the photos are meant as a warning or a way to offset karmic debt. > I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl > who says this? Someone who actually believes in free speech, not faux-free speech or faux-satanism. It is improbable, yes, even for those who talk a lot about free speech and satanism. > So you're saying I said what I said. These shoots, and the movie Cuties, invoked a pedophilic attraction in me. I do not think that was purely imagination, nor do I appreciate being questioned about the veracity of my feelings by someome who was not born for this path. > tell us more about the viewers, based on their reactions, than about the photography itself? I do not get this attraction to a photo of a milk carton. The photography itself certainly plays a role. The more you can identify with the photographer, in regards to boundaries and tastes and attractions, the more a photo will resonate with you.
  - p0pcult 4y ago
    It's funny to keep trying to convince people you are a "real pedophile" (TM). In particular, with a zero-day account. I don't merely question the veracity of your feelings; I am calling your entire account (both the literal user account, and also the retelling of your stories) fiction. It's also very suspect that you picked "Cuties" which was the prior round of moral outrage; it is almost as though, rather than being a "real pedophile" (TM) you are just sifting through Tucker Carlson's satanic panics to make provocative points that suit whatever weird agenda you have. Lastly (and I do mean lastly, as after this, I'm done engaging you in discourse) it's interesting that you're sweating me, specifically. Every single comment on your fake identity "real pedophile" (TM) 4 hour old account is in response to me.

mc32 4y ago

Not necessarily but they would talk about "normalizing" and advancing certain unwelcome attitudes and behavior. Let's say they "recreated" a Srebernica scene -it would certainly be controversial. No one would accuse them of massacring the actors --less so if they used CGI --but never the less is it would be considered beyond the pale and would be denounced by virtually everyone and for good reason. It's gross. It's repugnant. What they did was and is repugnant as well.

p0pcult 4y ago
My only horse in this particular race is that--repugnant or not--this ad campaign does not constitute pedophilia, grooming, pedophilia normalization, or the like, as is claimed (for example) in the sibling to your comment: >Just like the Balencia [sic] photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. Furthermore, that, these moral panics are dangerous and (specifically in this case), constitute attempts at stochastic terrorism and political destabilization.
- mc32 4y ago
  We'll have to disagree.
  - p0pcult 4y ago
    Ceci n'est pas un pipe.
- naturedaily 4y ago
  I agree that moral panics are undesirable. But by saying "these" you imply that this is all this is: a moral panic. You would have to be able to see this as more than just panic, or you will deem anyone in this debate under the spell of moral panic. You then cannot accept good faith on counterarguments. This is not pragmatic. Yes, polarization is used to pit right against left. We could all join hands on this: It is repugnant to use vulnerable children for marketing that reeks of pedophilia. Do not focus on those screaming global cabal of satanist abusers, and certainly do not make it representative of the position of your political opposition. How far are you willing to go to concede on this topic? Or should we let such politicized events destabilize us without a fight (through debate).