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One of those threads where you comment and more questions are raised that feel almost irrelevant. From what I have gleaned, vTuber is a virtual YouTuber. The s

One of those threads where you comment and more questions are raised that feel almost irrelevant. From what I have gleaned, vTuber is a virtual YouTuber. The streams use an anime model a s behaviour. So we've no idea who it is. And for some reason I feel creeped out now. There is something perturbing about the saccharin persona coupled with the pseudonym. Like Pennywise (It) vibes?

masklinn 4y ago
> From what I have gleaned, vTuber is a virtual YouTuber. The streams use an anime model a s behaviour. Yes, basically instead of streaming as themselves vTubers stream as a persona, usually with an anime-style virtual avatar. > And for some reason I feel creeped out now. There is something perturbing about the saccharin persona coupled with the pseudonym. I've not found a vTuber I enjoyed (but the main vTuber community is japanese and japanese TV / entertainment is... a lot, and not my cup of tea). However how is "Asahi Lina" and an animated cartoon avatar creepier than psychphysic and a random picture or manga snip on a forum 15 or 20 years ago? As far as I'm concerned it's the same principle moved from the media of text and images to that of audio and video.
- psychphysic 4y ago
  > However how is "Asahi Lina" and an animated cartoon avatar creepier than psychphysic and a random picture or manga snip on a forum 15 or 20 years ago? That's a really good question and I only have a cop-out answer. I'm not the type to get the creeps. But the immediate thought I had and commented else where was of Pennywise. Which is really quite alarming! I think the core was that Asahi in my mind is quite infantilised and the realisation that the person behind the persona is quite likely to be adult man. Nothing particularly predatory here, but there is still a feeling of a false sense of security.
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    > Nothing particularly predatory here, but there is still a feeling of a false sense of security. What danger could an online persona possibly present to you? "[...]a false sense of security" implies there's a danger
    - psychphysic 4y ago
      There's no point thinking of this as a cognition the pilomotor response is a reflex. One that evolved before the dinosaurs were wiped out. I can only tell you my feelings, thoughts and emotions. Feel free to come up with a better explanation!
      - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
        I think any first reaction is always an entirely fair first reaction. Biases exist. Snap judgements exist. No point in pretending otherwise. I think like with anything "new", life is always about disconfirming our biases. As a result, now that you're aware of this bias, have the additional time and can access System 2: Going forward you find a way to have a less aggressive reaction to learning about a the next VTuber.
        psychphysic 4y ago
        I almost certainly won't. Unless this stuff goes entirely mainstream I will just avoid it. This is the first time I've watched this kind of livestream and as well has as making my teeth itch with creepiness, not being an efficient means of conveying the topic it is boring. I guess I'm older than the average HN user but I prefer reading to watching a video for education.
sjf 4y ago
I feel like I am going to regret this post, but anyway... I am a woman in tech, and the whole thing feels slimy. I found it really creepy and couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes- I couldn't tolerate the voice changer for longer than that. But the whole concept is kinda gross because (as someone else pointed out below) the streamer is most likely an adult man, not a cute asian girl. And the persona is being performed for the benefit of other adult men.
- claudiawerner 4y ago
  >the streamer is most likely an adult man, not a cute asian girl I can't see why that makes it "kinda gross"; in fact, playing with identity and having the courage to do so in a whimsical way seems awesome. To have the security in oneself to put on a persona so different to the one we are in meatspace is one of the best inventiont of the 'net in my opinion. The possibilities are freeing. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. >And the persona is being performed for the benefit of other adult men. What possible 'benefit' do they get out of it? Do we know if these "other adult men" leer at the persona? And if so, so what? So long as the person behind the persona isn't be harrassed. It's strange that this sentence is implicitly stating that something done for the benefit of adult men is wrong in itself.

masklinn 4y ago

> From what I have gleaned, vTuber is a virtual YouTuber. The streams use an anime model a s behaviour. Yes, basically instead of streaming as themselves vTubers stream as a persona, usually with an anime-style virtual avatar. > And for some reason I feel creeped out now. There is something perturbing about the saccharin persona coupled with the pseudonym. I've not found a vTuber I enjoyed (but the main vTuber community is japanese and japanese TV / entertainment is... a lot, and not my cup of tea). However how is "Asahi Lina" and an animated cartoon avatar creepier than psychphysic and a random picture or manga snip on a forum 15 or 20 years ago? As far as I'm concerned it's the same principle moved from the media of text and images to that of audio and video.

psychphysic 4y ago
> However how is "Asahi Lina" and an animated cartoon avatar creepier than psychphysic and a random picture or manga snip on a forum 15 or 20 years ago? That's a really good question and I only have a cop-out answer. I'm not the type to get the creeps. But the immediate thought I had and commented else where was of Pennywise. Which is really quite alarming! I think the core was that Asahi in my mind is quite infantilised and the realisation that the person behind the persona is quite likely to be adult man. Nothing particularly predatory here, but there is still a feeling of a false sense of security.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > Nothing particularly predatory here, but there is still a feeling of a false sense of security. What danger could an online persona possibly present to you? "[...]a false sense of security" implies there's a danger
  - psychphysic 4y ago
    There's no point thinking of this as a cognition the pilomotor response is a reflex. One that evolved before the dinosaurs were wiped out. I can only tell you my feelings, thoughts and emotions. Feel free to come up with a better explanation!
    - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
      I think any first reaction is always an entirely fair first reaction. Biases exist. Snap judgements exist. No point in pretending otherwise. I think like with anything "new", life is always about disconfirming our biases. As a result, now that you're aware of this bias, have the additional time and can access System 2: Going forward you find a way to have a less aggressive reaction to learning about a the next VTuber.
      - psychphysic 4y ago
        I almost certainly won't. Unless this stuff goes entirely mainstream I will just avoid it. This is the first time I've watched this kind of livestream and as well has as making my teeth itch with creepiness, not being an efficient means of conveying the topic it is boring. I guess I'm older than the average HN user but I prefer reading to watching a video for education.

sjf 4y ago

I feel like I am going to regret this post, but anyway... I am a woman in tech, and the whole thing feels slimy. I found it really creepy and couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes- I couldn't tolerate the voice changer for longer than that. But the whole concept is kinda gross because (as someone else pointed out below) the streamer is most likely an adult man, not a cute asian girl. And the persona is being performed for the benefit of other adult men.

claudiawerner 4y ago
>the streamer is most likely an adult man, not a cute asian girl I can't see why that makes it "kinda gross"; in fact, playing with identity and having the courage to do so in a whimsical way seems awesome. To have the security in oneself to put on a persona so different to the one we are in meatspace is one of the best inventiont of the 'net in my opinion. The possibilities are freeing. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. >And the persona is being performed for the benefit of other adult men. What possible 'benefit' do they get out of it? Do we know if these "other adult men" leer at the persona? And if so, so what? So long as the person behind the persona isn't be harrassed. It's strange that this sentence is implicitly stating that something done for the benefit of adult men is wrong in itself.