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That's a pretty big claim that inoculation prevents long-term side effects. The viral load is the same between unvaccinated and vaccinated who get infected. [1

That's a pretty big claim that inoculation prevents long-term side effects. The viral load is the same between unvaccinated and vaccinated who get infected. [1] So if the amount of virus is similar, I'd assume the potential for damage would be similar unless there is some other evidence. As for evidence the vaccine caused medical problems, it already exists. The CDC tried to block the v-safe data from being released.[2] It shows overwhelming safety signals which the public should know about to have informed consent. [1] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... [2] https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/v-safe-part-1-after-464-days-cdc https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/v-safe-part-1-after-464-day...

ben_w 4y ago
I don't think [1] means what I think you think it means: """Although peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type, …. Fully vaccinated individuals with delta variant infection had a faster (posterior probability >0·84) mean rate of viral load decline (0·95 log10 copies per mL per day) than did unvaccinated individuals with pre-alpha (0·69), alpha (0·82), or delta (0·79) variant infections."""
- halfjoking 4y ago
  My point was if vaccinated could spread covid, and that paper shows the viral load is just as high so they can. Yes vaccinated with pre-alpha, alpha, and delta have faster viral clearance... but what about Omicron which is 99% of cases now? Maybe the study was done too early, but the results are very bad for vaccinated with Omicron. "In other words: out of 100 boosted persons who catch Covid, 31 — or one-third — will be still carrying LIVE VIRUS on Day 10. Out of 100 unvaccinated persons, only 6 would test positive on Day 10 — over five TIMES fewer people." [1] So even if you justified treating unvaccinated differently due to viral clearance (completely disregarding that prior infection, age or weight has much more influence), eventually you'd be wrong using that metric anyway. [1] https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/study-boosted-people-slowest-to-clear https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/study-boosted-people-slowe...
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Infectiousness is slightly different to peak viral load or the decay rate of viral load, and also includes symptoms, and has been tested independently of those. There was a paper going around not too long ago whose headline result showed there was only a mild decrease in infectiousness, something like 24% immediately after vaccination, which some thought was a gotcha all by itself but (a) that is certainly better than nothing, and (b) it was based on prisoners who shared a cell, so a fairly extreme case of proximity and duration anyway.

ben_w 4y ago

I don't think [1] means what I think you think it means: """Although peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type, …. Fully vaccinated individuals with delta variant infection had a faster (posterior probability >0·84) mean rate of viral load decline (0·95 log10 copies per mL per day) than did unvaccinated individuals with pre-alpha (0·69), alpha (0·82), or delta (0·79) variant infections."""

halfjoking 4y ago
My point was if vaccinated could spread covid, and that paper shows the viral load is just as high so they can. Yes vaccinated with pre-alpha, alpha, and delta have faster viral clearance... but what about Omicron which is 99% of cases now? Maybe the study was done too early, but the results are very bad for vaccinated with Omicron. "In other words: out of 100 boosted persons who catch Covid, 31 — or one-third — will be still carrying LIVE VIRUS on Day 10. Out of 100 unvaccinated persons, only 6 would test positive on Day 10 — over five TIMES fewer people." [1] So even if you justified treating unvaccinated differently due to viral clearance (completely disregarding that prior infection, age or weight has much more influence), eventually you'd be wrong using that metric anyway. [1] https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/study-boosted-people-slowest-to-clear https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/study-boosted-people-slowe...
- ben_w 4y ago
  Infectiousness is slightly different to peak viral load or the decay rate of viral load, and also includes symptoms, and has been tested independently of those. There was a paper going around not too long ago whose headline result showed there was only a mild decrease in infectiousness, something like 24% immediately after vaccination, which some thought was a gotcha all by itself but (a) that is certainly better than nothing, and (b) it was based on prisoners who shared a cell, so a fairly extreme case of proximity and duration anyway.