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The cynic in me wonders if hydrogen energy is: 1. Just a spoiler for renewables. Something that big oil and big gas can use to sew confusion and slow the trans

The cynic in me wonders if hydrogen energy is: 1. Just a spoiler for renewables. Something that big oil and big gas can use to sew confusion and slow the transition to renewables. 2. A way that big oil and big gas can leverage their massive investment in fossil infratructure, even if it doesn't make sense economically or environmentally. But I'm no expert on this. Just a cynic.

newyankee 4y ago
But then why would Japan, a significant importer of fossil fuels, would be so heavily invested in Hydrogen ?
- ElevenLathe 4y ago
  Japanese investment in hydrogen goes back to the 90s, before battery EVs (aside from the GM one) had proved practical. It was insurance against losing their auto industry if things moved away from gasoline ICEs. It has kind of had its own momentum since then.
- andlier 4y ago
  A political bet, with enough funding it might make it so… https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/japan-hydrogen-energy-carbon/2021/04/13/0dd68e4e-9229-11eb-aadc-af78701a30ca_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/japan-hydro...
- fomine3 4y ago
  Japan land isn't great for balanced natural energy buildings, so they want to continue import energy after carbon neutral, and hoard solar generated electricity. Nuclear is (was?) unpopular for obvious reason for a decade.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
It's both of those things, but it's also a necessary and useful part of getting to net zero. 1 in particular was strong when Battery EVs were starting off. Don't bother with those early BEVs, just wait till the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles arrive. While fuel cell vehicles are actually cleanera nd greener than ICE, this went on much longer than was credible once it became obvious battery EVs were the winner in personal transport. 2. Oil and gas companies would really like to use blue hydrogen made from oil and gas and store the CO2 byproducts in oil fields. Or at least claim that they will store it. Luckily for everyone, the price crash in renewables means they'll be outcompeted if they try that and most governments have caught on e.g. the IRA stuff that varies support based on how clean the hydrogen production chain is. But we need it to make fertilizer and other chemicals, and doing so with cheap renewables will save a lot of countries from being relient on fossil fuel providers.

newyankee 4y ago

But then why would Japan, a significant importer of fossil fuels, would be so heavily invested in Hydrogen ?

ElevenLathe 4y ago
Japanese investment in hydrogen goes back to the 90s, before battery EVs (aside from the GM one) had proved practical. It was insurance against losing their auto industry if things moved away from gasoline ICEs. It has kind of had its own momentum since then.
andlier 4y ago
A political bet, with enough funding it might make it so… https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/japan-hydrogen-energy-carbon/2021/04/13/0dd68e4e-9229-11eb-aadc-af78701a30ca_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/japan-hydro...
fomine3 4y ago
Japan land isn't great for balanced natural energy buildings, so they want to continue import energy after carbon neutral, and hoard solar generated electricity. Nuclear is (was?) unpopular for obvious reason for a decade.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

It's both of those things, but it's also a necessary and useful part of getting to net zero. 1 in particular was strong when Battery EVs were starting off. Don't bother with those early BEVs, just wait till the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles arrive. While fuel cell vehicles are actually cleanera nd greener than ICE, this went on much longer than was credible once it became obvious battery EVs were the winner in personal transport. 2. Oil and gas companies would really like to use blue hydrogen made from oil and gas and store the CO2 byproducts in oil fields. Or at least claim that they will store it. Luckily for everyone, the price crash in renewables means they'll be outcompeted if they try that and most governments have caught on e.g. the IRA stuff that varies support based on how clean the hydrogen production chain is. But we need it to make fertilizer and other chemicals, and doing so with cheap renewables will save a lot of countries from being relient on fossil fuel providers.