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> These seem to be adults dressed as literal demons (one of them has horns on their head) many of whom are carrying (probably fake) children, and all marching t
by WastingMyTime89 4y ago
> These seem to be adults dressed as literal demons (one of them has horns on their head) many of whom are carrying (probably fake) children, and all marching through the mud. It’s very unsettling.
No offense but that’s just a fashion show in a setting involving some mud in the background. It looks a bit like another planet rather than hell. Also there are no children here. I’m still looking for the disturbing part.
> This next thing is considerably worse since it appears to involve pictures of actual children (I won’t link it here since it’s NSFL).
The controversy is about pictures of kids carrying bags shaped as teddy bears in chains which can make one thinks of bdsm. I repeat: the teddy bears are in chains, not the kids. It’s in bad taste but very much SFL.
I have no clue about what’s actually happening at Balenciaga but I wish people kept to facts.
- cjbgkagh 4y agoI give a wide berth to artists but those teddy bears are not innocuous. They are highly suggestive and in the context of the photo shoot are beyond the pale. In my opinion BDSM teddy bears alone is a bright red flag.
- navjack27 4y agoSo because you give a wide berth to artists and I assume high art in general... I'm sorry but your opinion is invalidated. It's invalidated in the same way if some rube off the street told you that they give a wide berth to applied research and then went on to give some sort of opinion about workplace solutions and then summed it all up by saying some one particular thing was a red flag to them.
- cjbgkagh 4y agoRubes are entitled to their opinions as am I. The wide berth is to give more latitude in restricting behavior than those who are not artists. It’s a privilege to allow them more freedom to create art. If they use that privilege to create BDSM teddy bears then I think social outrage is a predictable and appropriate response.
- boboboboboboo 4y ago
- WastingMyTime89 4y agoIt’s teddy bears in chains. I mean I know I’m French which means it’s probably hard to find someone culturally less attuned with an American regarding sexuality but the whole thing seems to me like a storm in a tea cup. As I said, it’s not tasteful but that’s miles away from being scandalous.
- p0pcult 4y agoIf only it were a storm in a teacup! This will be used for political gain among America's christo-nationalist right wing.
- thepasswordis 4y agoWatch the rest of the video. Eventually the actors are all walking around wearing child carriers containing dolls.
- p0pcult 4y agoWon't somebody think of... ...the dolls???
- donkeyd 4y agoWhat's so unsettling about that? Sure, I understand they did this to cause a bit of a stir, but it's just people carrying around dolls in a dystopian setting. And even if there were actual babies in there, the most unsettling part is the danger of the person carrying the baby slipping in the mud and falling on top of the baby.
- thepasswordis 4y agoI don't think I can explain to you why this is unsettling in the same way I can't explain why abusing animals is bad, stealing is bad, or anything else is "bad". If we don't already have a shared system of morals which says "abuse of children is bad", then it seems unlikely I'm going to convince you that depictions of child abuse are bad. To me, this is "bad" because I subscribe to a belief system that thinks abusing children is bad. Balenciaga, in their marketing, has used images which imply the abuse of children. Therefore: this is bad.
- WastingMyTime89 4y agoWell done on implying someone not agreeing with you on the moral value of carrying dolls in a fashion show is actually them not caring about child abuse and having a poor moral system. Please at least try to argue in good faith. It’s the first time I think I should flag a comment looking polite at face value.
- thepasswordis 4y ago