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Until there is actual evidence of actual pedophilia, this is just a retread of the 1980s satanic panic, being capitalized upon by the global fascist hard right,

Until there is actual evidence of actual pedophilia, this is just a retread of the 1980s satanic panic, being capitalized upon by the global fascist hard right, but this time conflating pedophilia with homosexuality and transsexuality. Is it tasteless? De gustibus non est disputandum. So much high fashion is stupid and provocative, imo. Is it pedophilia? No.

canucklady 4y ago
It's amazing to me how seemingly mainstream this conspiracy theory has become in the US. People used to joke about "think of the children" being used to justify all sorts of ludicrous policies. Now you can just make up any baseless allegations about your political enemies and throw "child abuse" in to make it stick.
- p0pcult 4y ago
  Not just make it stick, but to implement stochastic terrorism, as with the recent LGBTQ nightclub shooting in Colorado.
  - ulfbert_inc 4y ago
    You mean that shooting in which shooter was identified as a non-binary child of porn actor?
    - p0pcult 4y ago
      Sorry, which shooting was that? Hard to keep track here in the US. Are you attempting to imply that the "non-binary" or "porn" adjectives are relevant here? I may be going out on a limb here, but I am not sure that "non-binary" or "porn" people commit shootings at different rates than the rest of the population--do you have any evidence, rather than mere implication (if that is in fact what you are implying)?
      - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        >Sorry, which shooting was that? Hard to keep track here in the US. The one you just cited, obviously. The point is that you are either misinformed, speculating as it suits you, or lying to present that shooting as being motivated by moral panic type politics because it has since come out that the shooter did not subscribe to those beliefs. And as much as it pains me to agree with you I concur that the shooter's gender and father's occupation are irrelevant.
        p0pcult 4y ago
        dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        Yes, everyone knows how radicalization works. It's a well trodden path. The problem here is that in two separate comment subthreads you are acting as though the purveyors of moral panic are radicalizing people to shoot up gay bars when in reality they're responsible for 0 of 2 if that is indeed their goal (which is an insane assumption). You are trying to lay blame at the feet of people who are not responsible when it is known that there are specific others who are. Stop it. Stop lying. Or if you can't do that please live long enough to reap what you are sowing by doing your part to poison discourse with dishonesty.
        p0pcult 4y ago
        0 for 2 means theyre not successful, not that theyre not trying.
    - chownie 4y ago
      A false narrative which doesn't pass the sniff test. Non-binary according to the shooter's attorney but referred to as "he" by his father. Neighbours also asserted that the shooter frequently used homophobic slurs and didn't identify as non binary at any point in the past.
      - deleted 4y ago
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proffeatur8 4y ago
onetimeusename 4y ago
I am in favor of free speech. However, I can't help but think the mainstream internet activist left and right are engaged in a trolling war. This art is probably intended to be edgy, just like the faux-satanism fashion, it's meant to rub freedom of expression in the faces of certain people the in-crowd dislikes. All that is happening is mutual provocation and outrage. The same thing is happening on Twitter with performative trolling and then people claiming that Twitter is now a threat to democracy. Obviously, that means a lot of people who claim to want free speech only want it for themselves. This particular speech that I don't like is a threat to society
- p0pcult 4y ago
  +1
naturedaily 4y ago
I fancy myself a bit of a pedophile and a satanist. Most of my education on these topics stems from the 80s. In the 70s, naked children in photography was not even occulted. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. These photoshoots normalize and facilitate this attraction. If I was found with these photos in my possession, such evidence would get me in big trouble. Yes, these blatant photoshoots are capitalized on by the hard right, and mostly ignored by the hard left. You would think that children are some of the most vulnerable people in society, and that these need protection from 1% sexualized capitalism, something the far left usually fights for, but these seem pre-occupied with battling global fascism right now. Transsexuality is a big satanist topic. Male homosexuality has a big pedosexuality problem, but this is occulted and taboo to talk about. You ask if it is tasteless, but then quote the Romans on debating taste, so assume it has a taste. This is the taste of pedophilia and Baal worship. This taste certainly provokes those with more common sensabilities. It is pedophilic in nature. These people involved did their homework. Not like pop clips for children from about a decade ago, where they just slapped together some depictions of Isis to raps of Jeffrey Dahmer eating out hearts.
- p0pcult 4y ago
  Poe's Law.
  - naturedaily 4y ago
    More like: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. To you, these photos are not pedophilic. To me, an actual pedophile, these photos are. To each their own path. It is, afterall, a satanic truth that some things can have two opposing properties at the same time.
    - p0pcult 4y ago
      >To me, an actual pedophile who says this? probably not "actual pedophile[s]" >To you, these photos are not pedophilic. To me, an actual pedophile, these photos are. To each their own path. It is, afterall, a satanic truth that some things can have two opposing properties at the same time. So you're saying that the photos tell us more about the viewers, based on their reactions, than about the photography itself? Interesting take, actual pedophile; interesting take.

canucklady 4y ago

It's amazing to me how seemingly mainstream this conspiracy theory has become in the US. People used to joke about "think of the children" being used to justify all sorts of ludicrous policies. Now you can just make up any baseless allegations about your political enemies and throw "child abuse" in to make it stick.

p0pcult 4y ago
Not just make it stick, but to implement stochastic terrorism, as with the recent LGBTQ nightclub shooting in Colorado.
- ulfbert_inc 4y ago
  You mean that shooting in which shooter was identified as a non-binary child of porn actor?
  - p0pcult 4y ago
    Sorry, which shooting was that? Hard to keep track here in the US. Are you attempting to imply that the "non-binary" or "porn" adjectives are relevant here? I may be going out on a limb here, but I am not sure that "non-binary" or "porn" people commit shootings at different rates than the rest of the population--do you have any evidence, rather than mere implication (if that is in fact what you are implying)?
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      >Sorry, which shooting was that? Hard to keep track here in the US. The one you just cited, obviously. The point is that you are either misinformed, speculating as it suits you, or lying to present that shooting as being motivated by moral panic type politics because it has since come out that the shooter did not subscribe to those beliefs. And as much as it pains me to agree with you I concur that the shooter's gender and father's occupation are irrelevant.
      - p0pcult 4y ago
        dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        Yes, everyone knows how radicalization works. It's a well trodden path. The problem here is that in two separate comment subthreads you are acting as though the purveyors of moral panic are radicalizing people to shoot up gay bars when in reality they're responsible for 0 of 2 if that is indeed their goal (which is an insane assumption). You are trying to lay blame at the feet of people who are not responsible when it is known that there are specific others who are. Stop it. Stop lying. Or if you can't do that please live long enough to reap what you are sowing by doing your part to poison discourse with dishonesty.
        p0pcult 4y ago
        0 for 2 means theyre not successful, not that theyre not trying.
  - chownie 4y ago
    A false narrative which doesn't pass the sniff test. Non-binary according to the shooter's attorney but referred to as "he" by his father. Neighbours also asserted that the shooter frequently used homophobic slurs and didn't identify as non binary at any point in the past.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]

proffeatur8 4y ago

onetimeusename 4y ago

I am in favor of free speech. However, I can't help but think the mainstream internet activist left and right are engaged in a trolling war. This art is probably intended to be edgy, just like the faux-satanism fashion, it's meant to rub freedom of expression in the faces of certain people the in-crowd dislikes. All that is happening is mutual provocation and outrage. The same thing is happening on Twitter with performative trolling and then people claiming that Twitter is now a threat to democracy. Obviously, that means a lot of people who claim to want free speech only want it for themselves. This particular speech that I don't like is a threat to society

p0pcult 4y ago
+1

naturedaily 4y ago

I fancy myself a bit of a pedophile and a satanist. Most of my education on these topics stems from the 80s. In the 70s, naked children in photography was not even occulted. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. These photoshoots normalize and facilitate this attraction. If I was found with these photos in my possession, such evidence would get me in big trouble. Yes, these blatant photoshoots are capitalized on by the hard right, and mostly ignored by the hard left. You would think that children are some of the most vulnerable people in society, and that these need protection from 1% sexualized capitalism, something the far left usually fights for, but these seem pre-occupied with battling global fascism right now. Transsexuality is a big satanist topic. Male homosexuality has a big pedosexuality problem, but this is occulted and taboo to talk about. You ask if it is tasteless, but then quote the Romans on debating taste, so assume it has a taste. This is the taste of pedophilia and Baal worship. This taste certainly provokes those with more common sensabilities. It is pedophilic in nature. These people involved did their homework. Not like pop clips for children from about a decade ago, where they just slapped together some depictions of Isis to raps of Jeffrey Dahmer eating out hearts.

p0pcult 4y ago
Poe's Law.
- naturedaily 4y ago
  More like: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. To you, these photos are not pedophilic. To me, an actual pedophile, these photos are. To each their own path. It is, afterall, a satanic truth that some things can have two opposing properties at the same time.
  - p0pcult 4y ago
    >To me, an actual pedophile who says this? probably not "actual pedophile[s]" >To you, these photos are not pedophilic. To me, an actual pedophile, these photos are. To each their own path. It is, afterall, a satanic truth that some things can have two opposing properties at the same time. So you're saying that the photos tell us more about the viewers, based on their reactions, than about the photography itself? Interesting take, actual pedophile; interesting take.