5 ms·

The current link is blogspam for the original article by The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charles-vs-secret-code-cracked-afte

The current link is blogspam for the original article by The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charles-vs-secret-code-cracked-after-five-centuries https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charle...

tomschwiha 4y ago
Is it actually spam? More looks like a manually curated quote / link.
criddell 4y ago
How can they write all that but then not include a translation of the letter?
- gsk22 4y ago
  The BBC has an article that explains: > The team has not yet issued a full translation, which they are saving for an academic paper. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63757443 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63757443
dmix 4y ago
I found the summary useful. I read the whole Guardian article and Bruce highlighted the really interesting part. The only other question was: what's in the letter? The answer is pretty boring, just a standard communique between two leaders during a conflict and talk about a previously unknown murder plot (which was just a rumour). The meat is the cipher.
Tainnor 4y ago
I agree that posting the original link is probably more useful, but I find it very odd to call Bruce Schneier's blog "spam".
- capableweb 4y ago
  I don't think parent is calling the entire blog spam, there is definitely good, original content on the blog itself. But this particular article is what's called "blogspam": > A blog where the author paraphrases or copies from the original article/webpage in an attempt to increase his or her own traffic. This becomes a waste of the reader's time forcing them to click through the blog to get to the actual article. Often submitted to sites like Digg or Reddit. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=blogspam%20author%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - Tainnor 4y ago
    The relevant part is "to incrase his or her own traffic". Bruce Schneier is one of the most famous cryptography researchers. I doubt he needs more traffic. Intent matters, and when he reposts and summarises a Guardian article, this is probably done for the benefit of readers who already follow his blog.
    - airstrike 4y ago
      IMHO not including the words "The Guardian" in his TL;DR is what makes it spammy
adrianmonk 4y ago
> is blogspam It is, and it isn't. Functionally, for the reader of Hacker News, it has the same form of and effect as blogspam. It's a blog entry, it doesn't add much, and it just links to the real content. But presumably it lacks the intent of blogspam. Bruce Schneier's blog has quality original content, and nobody is trying to game the system. Probably Schneier just wrote this blog entry to bring an interesting story to his readers' attention, and one of them posted it here.
- namkt 4y ago
  He does that all the time where he posts a link and quotes one or two paragraphs. It's also meant for the fanbase to comment on the post.
dang 4y ago
People mean different things by "blogspam" but yes we should change the URL - this is in the site guidelines: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: changed now from https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/charles-v-of-spain-secret-code-cracked.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/charles-v-of-.... Thanks! (However, it's also a dupe - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33791685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33791685)

tomschwiha 4y ago

Is it actually spam? More looks like a manually curated quote / link.

criddell 4y ago

How can they write all that but then not include a translation of the letter?

gsk22 4y ago
The BBC has an article that explains: > The team has not yet issued a full translation, which they are saving for an academic paper. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63757443 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63757443

dmix 4y ago

I found the summary useful. I read the whole Guardian article and Bruce highlighted the really interesting part. The only other question was: what's in the letter? The answer is pretty boring, just a standard communique between two leaders during a conflict and talk about a previously unknown murder plot (which was just a rumour). The meat is the cipher.

Tainnor 4y ago

I agree that posting the original link is probably more useful, but I find it very odd to call Bruce Schneier's blog "spam".

capableweb 4y ago
I don't think parent is calling the entire blog spam, there is definitely good, original content on the blog itself. But this particular article is what's called "blogspam": > A blog where the author paraphrases or copies from the original article/webpage in an attempt to increase his or her own traffic. This becomes a waste of the reader's time forcing them to click through the blog to get to the actual article. Often submitted to sites like Digg or Reddit. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=blogspam%20author%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- Tainnor 4y ago
  The relevant part is "to incrase his or her own traffic". Bruce Schneier is one of the most famous cryptography researchers. I doubt he needs more traffic. Intent matters, and when he reposts and summarises a Guardian article, this is probably done for the benefit of readers who already follow his blog.
  - airstrike 4y ago
    IMHO not including the words "The Guardian" in his TL;DR is what makes it spammy

adrianmonk 4y ago

> is blogspam It is, and it isn't. Functionally, for the reader of Hacker News, it has the same form of and effect as blogspam. It's a blog entry, it doesn't add much, and it just links to the real content. But presumably it lacks the intent of blogspam. Bruce Schneier's blog has quality original content, and nobody is trying to game the system. Probably Schneier just wrote this blog entry to bring an interesting story to his readers' attention, and one of them posted it here.

namkt 4y ago
He does that all the time where he posts a link and quotes one or two paragraphs. It's also meant for the fanbase to comment on the post.

dang 4y ago

People mean different things by "blogspam" but yes we should change the URL - this is in the site guidelines: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: changed now from https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/charles-v-of-spain-secret-code-cracked.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/charles-v-of-.... Thanks! (However, it's also a dupe - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33791685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33791685)